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If you have a JAA ATPL and from what I gather even FAA qualifications too, along with 1000hr and still can't get an interview let alone a job then you really are the biggest looser in human history. I laugh at your stupidity and total ineptitude towards aviation.
Dear me, do you also look as stupid as you act? You could go to a stupid face competition but get turned away be the staff who inform you "sorry mate no professionals"
Dear me, do you also look as stupid as you act? You could go to a stupid face competition but get turned away be the staff who inform you "sorry mate no professionals"
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You still dont get it, nobody cares if you have 1000-10'000 h or if you are a FI,...all they want is your $ with no job in return.
and you know why? because there is no job and this stupid industry make you believe there are jobs by looking at the banners.
when you get an interview, the first thing they tell you is how much it will cost you.if you are not happy, leave...then they tell you they have 50 guys and they will take only 2-3 guys.it means 47-48 idiots will have a useless t/rating and no job(If they are stupid to pay).
many of my friends are FI, but no $=no t/r=no job...they are desparated, mad, upset, some have quit for mac do...as a FI you don't make $.
sorry guys, if you don't have 10 -15years in your life to support yourself and 200'000$ for your course, you are dead!
this is why, if you want a normal life, don't try to be a pilot.
and you know why? because there is no job and this stupid industry make you believe there are jobs by looking at the banners.
when you get an interview, the first thing they tell you is how much it will cost you.if you are not happy, leave...then they tell you they have 50 guys and they will take only 2-3 guys.it means 47-48 idiots will have a useless t/rating and no job(If they are stupid to pay).
many of my friends are FI, but no $=no t/r=no job...they are desparated, mad, upset, some have quit for mac do...as a FI you don't make $.
sorry guys, if you don't have 10 -15years in your life to support yourself and 200'000$ for your course, you are dead!
this is why, if you want a normal life, don't try to be a pilot.
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If you have such a bad attitude, who the hell would want to sit next to you for a day in the cockpit? As is apparent, qualifications aren't the only thing considered when applying for a job. Even if you get a job, you won't last long with such a negative attitude. Just look at what happened with R. van Nistelrooy yesterday. Ferguson was right - one player shouldn't drag the team down. The exact same principle applies to airlines/any other team.
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A320rider: "As a FI you don't make $"
Not at the start, but people do make careers out of instructing (although I imagine you would put a lot of people off flying). If you were truly determined to have a career as a pilot, you wouldn't waste your time here moaning about jobs, you would be doing anything to get a job, build your experience, apply for better jobs. I have to ask, do you actually want to be a pilot? You said "if you want a normal life", but no pilot I know has a normal life.
Not at the start, but people do make careers out of instructing (although I imagine you would put a lot of people off flying). If you were truly determined to have a career as a pilot, you wouldn't waste your time here moaning about jobs, you would be doing anything to get a job, build your experience, apply for better jobs. I have to ask, do you actually want to be a pilot? You said "if you want a normal life", but no pilot I know has a normal life.
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Originally Posted by A320rider
many of my friends
Seriously I finished my training 3 months ago and already have a job. It' s not JAR25 but it pays good money, I am having fun and building experience. Many of the pilots that used to work for the company where I am now moved on to jets. Some of them were modular and had no type rating, others had ratings, some had contacts....
There are so many different ways to get a jet job you just have to keep moving and networking. Staying at home and browsing the internet doesn' t help a lot.
Stop saying that there are no jobs because I see people around making it to the right hand seat. It can take a lot of time but not necessarily a lot of money.
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A320rider you remind me of those muppets that jump out of holes whilst you attempt to hit them with a hammer at the fairground. Maybe that's the job for you I just can't seem to stop laughing what has got into me.
How about printing your face on toilet paper
(I'm sorry but I just couldn't help myself)
You're my best pal really.
I just can't seem to stop laughing what has got into me. How about printing your face on toilet paper
(I'm sorry but I just couldn't help myself)
You're my best pal really.
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oh god .. my life is over
i acually spent money for training ! why did i do this ??
how dare those other people acually PAY for a type rating or any sort of training ?????
i should have never started my training without realizing that my attitude and skills as a pilot were so lacking, so now i see every day fellow students getting jobs , so now i sit on pprune everyday and bitch and moan and cry about how no one likes me, and how i'm such a failure in life.
i acually spent money for training ! why did i do this ??
how dare those other people acually PAY for a type rating or any sort of training ?????
i should have never started my training without realizing that my attitude and skills as a pilot were so lacking, so now i see every day fellow students getting jobs , so now i sit on pprune everyday and bitch and moan and cry about how no one likes me, and how i'm such a failure in life.
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Machlimiter, no you're not an idiot as long as you have the right attitude. A320rider is trying to swim both sides of the swimming at the same time. He has initiated training and now wants to moan about it to. That quite simply doesn't make sense as there are numerous others students some of whom are in even more dire circumstances that just get on with it. Of course it's tough and indeed it should be, you want to climb a mountain then the legs and going to hurt. Perhaps we are unable to think for ourselves or even out of the box as we've spent so long following a predefined syllabus when we graduate at the other end we no longer realise what to do. Examine why your fellow students are getting jobs, what did they do different from yourself? Maybe their approach was different, maybe their attitude, additional skills perhaps they are naturally more clever than you or then again it might be that ellusive of things .... luck.
There seems to be too much aiming for the bullseye these days where students do the minimum training and then expect the most lucrative job of all. However not everyone thinks like this and there are numerous souls that just want a job to have some money coming in and the first step on the rung of this slippery ladder.
As Scroggs recently pointed out many wannabes lack experience in any industry other than that of aviation and even then it's just FTO and not commercial aviation. We are not unique and I'm sure other industries are just as competitive.
If A320rider has exhausted all possible avenues and things still don't work out then he should give up and do something else. If the industry was as unfair as he states then there would have been a great following of A320rider's comments other than the comical provision it is at the moment.
There seems to be too much aiming for the bullseye these days where students do the minimum training and then expect the most lucrative job of all. However not everyone thinks like this and there are numerous souls that just want a job to have some money coming in and the first step on the rung of this slippery ladder.
As Scroggs recently pointed out many wannabes lack experience in any industry other than that of aviation and even then it's just FTO and not commercial aviation. We are not unique and I'm sure other industries are just as competitive.
If A320rider has exhausted all possible avenues and things still don't work out then he should give up and do something else. If the industry was as unfair as he states then there would have been a great following of A320rider's comments other than the comical provision it is at the moment.
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Originally Posted by A340rider
They both tell me im too over qualify for burger cooking
Many people have been in that position - longingly looking over the counter and dreaming of being the guy doing the fries, but if your patient, sooner or later your break will come & one day maybe you could even be Assistant Manager. Imagine that!
Best of luck with your quest my friend.
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There seems to be too much aiming for the bullseye these days where students do the minimum training and then expect the most lucrative job of all. However not everyone thinks like this and there are numerous souls that just want a job to have some money coming in and the first step on the rung of this slippery ladder.
to wannabes. Over the last couple of months I met a few guys just finishing with 195hrs integrated ATPL, from 3 different schools - all 200% convinced they were right seat FO by now and yes payback time has started 1.000/month...unfortunately this is not the truth at this time of writing although opportunities are coming up with FI's and other GA fliers upgrading to the TR aircraft but jets seam the only option to most wannabes and that's why people end up frustrated after some time - been there!Good luck to all
BTW I don't think it's the right attitude either to attack one personally good or bad...
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I agree Zooflyer, I am trying to attack the attitude and idea of self pity, moaning, being negative and having a blinkered view of everything. You are right it shouldn't be a personal attack, I'm sorry if it sounded like that.
Good luck to all that BELIEVE
Good luck to all that BELIEVE
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Originally Posted by a320rider
airline do not own you a job, but mac donald does!!!
HOWEVER, if you're lucky enough to start on the ice-cream machine, you go straight onto this:
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It also appears that attitude is an important contributing factor in getting that vital job or even interview. The CV conveys alot about you as a person than you'd believe and with HR professionals reviewing them they can pick out things you wouldn't have realised when composing it.
Avaition training does a very good job of teaching you how to conform, follow a syllabus and generally fit into the training culture. However it's like school once you're through the gates at the other end then you're on your own. Too many still believe there's a structured way of getting a job perhaps the FTO should then offer their graduates up to a carrier, not so. Nor is there an additional "land that first job" training module offered by flight schools
It's quite bad planning to assume that upon completion an aviation job of any kind will simply 'pop up'. Students shouldn't accept this scenario as the norm only the exception (bonus). Most should be planning to return to work under normal cirumstances and from there await that special job in aviation. This avoids all the hanging on the thread panic that sets in post trainng when the postman just isn't delivering any letters with airline logos on them There is nothing wrong with returning to work post training at least it brings in that all important supply of money. Plan carefully and realistically.
Avaition training does a very good job of teaching you how to conform, follow a syllabus and generally fit into the training culture. However it's like school once you're through the gates at the other end then you're on your own. Too many still believe there's a structured way of getting a job perhaps the FTO should then offer their graduates up to a carrier, not so. Nor is there an additional "land that first job" training module offered by flight schools
It's quite bad planning to assume that upon completion an aviation job of any kind will simply 'pop up'. Students shouldn't accept this scenario as the norm only the exception (bonus). Most should be planning to return to work under normal cirumstances and from there await that special job in aviation. This avoids all the hanging on the thread panic that sets in post trainng when the postman just isn't delivering any letters with airline logos on them
There is nothing wrong with returning to work post training at least it brings in that all important supply of money. Plan carefully and realistically.
