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I'm saying RYR will bring back all the current pilots they have sitting at home before any of these people get a call. I doubt the current crews will be called back this year.
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For those hoping in a quick recovery take a look at Ryanair financial year report. They will close fy 2021 with almost 1 billion loss, which is not bad all things considered, but they still predict barely to break even in 2022.
Better than most companies, but just to give you an idea if how long it’s going to take to go back to 2019 levels.
Ryanair expects to report a loss of between €800m and €850m Low-fares airline Ryanair has reduced its loss forecast in respect of the 12 months to March 31 this year.
Ryanair has said it expects to report a loss of between €800m and €850m in its financial year 2021.
In February the airline said it expected to report a loss of between of between €850m and €950m for the period, in what it said would be “the most challenging year in Ryanair’s 35 year history.”
The Ryanair Group's full-year traffic was 27.5 million for the 12 months to March 31, down from 149 million in its financial year 2020, which ended at the early stages of Covid-19 restrictions across Europe.
The airline’s passenger numbers were impacted over the last 12 months by Covid-19 travel restrictions.
Year-end cash at 31 March was over €3.15bn, down from €3.5bn in December.
In a statement today the airline said Easter travel restrictions and a delayed traffic recovery into the peak summer season means that financial year 2022 traffic is likely to be towards the lower end of its previously guided range of 80 million to 120 million passengers.
Ryanair said that while it is not possible at this time to provide meaningful profit guidance in respect of its financial year 2022, “we do not share the recent optimism of certain analysts as we believe that the outcome for FY22 is currently close to breakeven.”
Better than most companies, but just to give you an idea if how long it’s going to take to go back to 2019 levels.
Ryanair expects to report a loss of between €800m and €850m Low-fares airline Ryanair has reduced its loss forecast in respect of the 12 months to March 31 this year.
Ryanair has said it expects to report a loss of between €800m and €850m in its financial year 2021.
In February the airline said it expected to report a loss of between of between €850m and €950m for the period, in what it said would be “the most challenging year in Ryanair’s 35 year history.”
The Ryanair Group's full-year traffic was 27.5 million for the 12 months to March 31, down from 149 million in its financial year 2020, which ended at the early stages of Covid-19 restrictions across Europe.
The airline’s passenger numbers were impacted over the last 12 months by Covid-19 travel restrictions.
Year-end cash at 31 March was over €3.15bn, down from €3.5bn in December.
In a statement today the airline said Easter travel restrictions and a delayed traffic recovery into the peak summer season means that financial year 2022 traffic is likely to be towards the lower end of its previously guided range of 80 million to 120 million passengers.
Ryanair said that while it is not possible at this time to provide meaningful profit guidance in respect of its financial year 2022, “we do not share the recent optimism of certain analysts as we believe that the outcome for FY22 is currently close to breakeven.”
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Cadet training now starting in Bergamo too, possibly two more locations in Europe.
The deal is, type rating now and unpaid leave until summer 2022.
Unpaid leave make it sounds like you are an employee, but make no mistake ... You aren't!
The deal is, type rating now and unpaid leave until summer 2022.
Unpaid leave make it sounds like you are an employee, but make no mistake ... You aren't!
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Who has attended Ryanair's cadet webinar yesterday? They seemed very pissed when they were asked about the no job guarantee thing asking us to stop reading 
full of negativity in pprune 😄
full of negativity in pprune 😄
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Just out of curiosity ? TR validity is 12 months, so I wonder how things are going to work for the cadets.
Before the pandemic, they had a very clever rule to put cadet in the sim every 21 days before LT, would it be the same here ? What about renewal, who's paying for that ?
Before the pandemic, they had a very clever rule to put cadet in the sim every 21 days before LT, would it be the same here ? What about renewal, who's paying for that ?
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Guys,
Your TR will have to renewed by yourself at your own cost. Ryanair have no commitments to you whatsoever.
Just wait until next year and see how things are, wait for ops to return to semi normal levels and recruitment elsewhere to open up. Do not waste 30K right now.
Ryanair have no intention of you flying anytime soon.
Your TR will have to renewed by yourself at your own cost. Ryanair have no commitments to you whatsoever.
Just wait until next year and see how things are, wait for ops to return to semi normal levels and recruitment elsewhere to open up. Do not waste 30K right now.
Ryanair have no intention of you flying anytime soon.
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They were pissed because they don’t have an answer and can’t spin it into a positive.
The ridiculous thing is they all post on LinkedIn saying ‘Welcome to Ryanair’ when their next customer posts about the joy of being accepted, further misleading people.
There’s a reason that webinar was closed off and it’s because they want an echo chamber of false positivity and nobody to ask them any difficult questions on what the REALITY actually is.
If the recruitment team/airline have nothing to hide, they should publish the contract and clearly outline every risk and provide a breakdown of the salary etc. Better yet, just engage with the difficult questions on LinkedIn rather than just deleting them and blocking the person who asks it.
They were pissed because they don’t have an answer and can’t spin it into a positive.
The ridiculous thing is they all post on LinkedIn saying ‘Welcome to Ryanair’ when their next customer posts about the joy of being accepted, further misleading people.
There’s a reason that webinar was closed off and it’s because they want an echo chamber of false positivity and nobody to ask them any difficult questions on what the REALITY actually is.
If the recruitment team/airline have nothing to hide, they should publish the contract and clearly outline every risk and provide a breakdown of the salary etc. Better yet, just engage with the difficult questions on LinkedIn rather than just deleting them and blocking the person who asks it.
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I’d heard the same. Not the time to be rushing into it. What happens when the demand finally comes, are they going to prioritise the fresh cadets that have just completed their training or the ones going in now that will have potentially not flown for a year and have no hours on the line.. they’ll require a decent amount of re-training and will have put themselves to the back of the queue.
I’d heard the same. Not the time to be rushing into it. What happens when the demand finally comes, are they going to prioritise the fresh cadets that have just completed their training or the ones going in now that will have potentially not flown for a year and have no hours on the line.. they’ll require a decent amount of re-training and will have put themselves to the back of the queue.
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That is simply not correct the training contract is for type rating, base training, and a fixed term training contract lasting for 6 months from the completion of base training. So yes you may be put on leave for a couple of months depending on when your base training is completed. But for anyone starting type rating this summer with a time schedule of approximately 1 month of distance learning followed by 2 months of training at a training center then base training and lastly, a 6 month fixed term training contract it is not likely that people will be on leave for more than a few months
Secondly, I would like to say that this "opportunity" is definitely not for everyone, but that being said if you are not in a pinch money-wise and if you don't mind possibly being on leave for a short time go for it.
That is simply not correct the training contract is for type rating, base training, and a fixed term training contract lasting for 6 months from the completion of base training. So yes you may be put on leave for a couple of months depending on when your base training is completed. But for anyone starting type rating this summer with a time schedule of approximately 1 month of distance learning followed by 2 months of training at a training center then base training and lastly, a 6 month fixed term training contract it is not likely that people will be on leave for more than a few months
Secondly, I would like to say that this "opportunity" is definitely not for everyone, but that being said if you are not in a pinch money-wise and if you don't mind possibly being on leave for a short time go for it.
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Exactly that. And the ATOs are complicit. The likes of AFTA, Aviomar, Bartolini Air, VA etc feed this scheme by recommending to their students to sign up for it. They do this knowing very well that there is a big chance these cadets will pay the 30K and will never be called up by Ryanair after the 6 month training contract is finished. Whether the ATOs involved get a kickback from RYR or do this to attract customers to their failing businesses we will not know, but they should at least be held accountable over time for not telling the full truth, creating false positives and neglecting their duty of care towards their students, thus pushing young people further into debt on the false promise of employment.
We all know that the more cadets get into debt to pay for the training, the more desperate they are to get a job and the quicker they will accept ultra-low terms and conditions to work. This in turn will be exploited by the airline to drive down the pay for established crew even further.
What we can do as an industry in order to keep the next generation of pilots out of harms way and to protect our own position is to stop recommending these ATOs for training. Some have build up a stellar reputation over the years but seem to have no qualms (mis)using that reputation in these difficult times to make an extra buck on the backs of the young people that in good faith trust their guidance. Hopefully in time these training organisations will come to the conclusion that the reputational damage inflicted by being associated with this scheme makes it not worthwhile being part of it.
For anyone considering to sign up for it, don't. Wait till RYR starts offering the bonded TR again, only then there is a guaranteed job with acceptable terms and conditions waiting for you after your initial 6 month training contract is over.
Exactly that. And the ATOs are complicit. The likes of AFTA, Aviomar, Bartolini Air, VA etc feed this scheme by recommending to their students to sign up for it. They do this knowing very well that there is a big chance these cadets will pay the 30K and will never be called up by Ryanair after the 6 month training contract is finished. Whether the ATOs involved get a kickback from RYR or do this to attract customers to their failing businesses we will not know, but they should at least be held accountable over time for not telling the full truth, creating false positives and neglecting their duty of care towards their students, thus pushing young people further into debt on the false promise of employment.
We all know that the more cadets get into debt to pay for the training, the more desperate they are to get a job and the quicker they will accept ultra-low terms and conditions to work. This in turn will be exploited by the airline to drive down the pay for established crew even further.
What we can do as an industry in order to keep the next generation of pilots out of harms way and to protect our own position is to stop recommending these ATOs for training. Some have build up a stellar reputation over the years but seem to have no qualms (mis)using that reputation in these difficult times to make an extra buck on the backs of the young people that in good faith trust their guidance. Hopefully in time these training organisations will come to the conclusion that the reputational damage inflicted by being associated with this scheme makes it not worthwhile being part of it.
For anyone considering to sign up for it, don't. Wait till RYR starts offering the bonded TR again, only then there is a guaranteed job with acceptable terms and conditions waiting for you after your initial 6 month training contract is over.
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What happens next year if all these cadets will be flying instead?
I am not defending this scheme in any way, but this is grossly similar to what it used to be until mid-2018 and it has worked out for many also in here, and Covid hopefully won't be forever. Look at all the US carriers again hiring in full swing.
I see too much hypocrisy here, hidden behind the current crisis caused by the pandemic. A crisis that will be temporary.
I am not defending this scheme in any way, but this is grossly similar to what it used to be until mid-2018 and it has worked out for many also in here, and Covid hopefully won't be forever. Look at all the US carriers again hiring in full swing.
I see too much hypocrisy here, hidden behind the current crisis caused by the pandemic. A crisis that will be temporary.
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If every single one of these cadets is flying it means the whole industry will have recovered massively which would be great news. If that’s the case, it’s likely Ryanair would have to offer the bonded scheme again, especially with a reduced number set to be coming out the training schools for the next couple of years.
Overall it’s a lot of risk for very little reward, as if the industry doesn’t rebound you’re in a very bad position, but if it does rebound this opportunity (and likely better ones) will be there anyway. Sometimes it’s best to sit on your hands rather than jump straight in. There is still a lot of uncertainty so comparing it to pre 2018 when you were pretty much guaranteed 800+ annual hours straight from completion of line training and a command in 3.5 years isn’t really realistic.
Overall it’s a lot of risk for very little reward, as if the industry doesn’t rebound you’re in a very bad position, but if it does rebound this opportunity (and likely better ones) will be there anyway. Sometimes it’s best to sit on your hands rather than jump straight in. There is still a lot of uncertainty so comparing it to pre 2018 when you were pretty much guaranteed 800+ annual hours straight from completion of line training and a command in 3.5 years isn’t really realistic.
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They tried to be very positive but with no any strong arguments to support it. In their powerpoint presentation they said that traffic will be 80% of pre-covid levels in summer 21 and 100% pre-covid levels in winter 21-22. Also they said that the price of the type rating won't change for the next 5-7 years minimum and that only ryanair will be hiring cadets in the following years(!!!). They insisted that we do the ryanair aps mcc as well. When they were asked about the job guarantee thing they said that it has always been the same, even before covid. You have to pass the assessment, the training and we do want you to work for us etc etc but nothing more.
They tried to be very positive but with no any strong arguments to support it. In their powerpoint presentation they said that traffic will be 80% of pre-covid levels in summer 21 and 100% pre-covid levels in winter 21-22. Also they said that the price of the type rating won't change for the next 5-7 years minimum and that only ryanair will be hiring cadets in the following years(!!!). They insisted that we do the ryanair aps mcc as well. When they were asked about the job guarantee thing they said that it has always been the same, even before covid. You have to pass the assessment, the training and we do want you to work for us etc etc but nothing more.
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Absolute nonsense. All of it.
I know for a fact Aer lingus will be recruiting low houred guys within the next 5 years for certain.
Ryanair appear desperate, it’s obvious for all to see. Like FG rightly points out, if it was as rosy as they make out they’d provide all the info you need to make the right decision. If they needed you they’d also remove the thorn in their side and provide some sort of guarantee for those starting TR that employment would come at some point.
They’re simply profiting from the circumstances they find presently which favours only them and not the cadets.
You are worth more than that. Just wait until things pick up and give yourself a chance.
I know for a fact Aer lingus will be recruiting low houred guys within the next 5 years for certain.
Ryanair appear desperate, it’s obvious for all to see. Like FG rightly points out, if it was as rosy as they make out they’d provide all the info you need to make the right decision. If they needed you they’d also remove the thorn in their side and provide some sort of guarantee for those starting TR that employment would come at some point.
They’re simply profiting from the circumstances they find presently which favours only them and not the cadets.
You are worth more than that. Just wait until things pick up and give yourself a chance.
