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If not, do you really want to be the guinea pig charging into this?
why not take 12 months to get some experience in another job away from aviation? It’ll give you a backup for future downturns (or even full automation!)
By that point you’ll have more of an idea which ‘jobs’ are genuine, and if the upturn really is as strong as you’re relying on to actually have some work then you won’t have missed the boat.
Once Ryanair runs out of people willing to pay to fly (yes that’s what this is without an employment contract) they’ll drop the cost and start giving out real contracts.
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The Foss,
I hear what you are saying and respect your position. However one has to take human nature into account. Flying can be a such an overwhelming passion for many, they can easily remove the financial aspect required due to their desire to fly a jet aircraft.
They also could have the thought that a large financial hurdle for many will aid them in their pursuit of becoming a pilot as there will be a massive reduction in take ups of such a contract. It works in their favour, of course only if they aren't financially compromised.
They could also feel like they could get a jump due to the expected return to normality and the continued expansion in SLF in the near future.
It is really boils down to market forces. If Ryanair don't get the numbers they expect, then they will adjust, just as businesses do address market forces.
I am not in favour of any actions by companies , individuals, or whoever to reduce our terms and conditions in anyway but I am realistic that understand that the less pilots in the marketplace can mean better terms for us.
Call me selfish, of course there is that thought, but also recognise that we need new blood in our industry which hopefully will expand as this present situation abates.
I hear what you are saying and respect your position. However one has to take human nature into account. Flying can be a such an overwhelming passion for many, they can easily remove the financial aspect required due to their desire to fly a jet aircraft.
They also could have the thought that a large financial hurdle for many will aid them in their pursuit of becoming a pilot as there will be a massive reduction in take ups of such a contract. It works in their favour, of course only if they aren't financially compromised.
They could also feel like they could get a jump due to the expected return to normality and the continued expansion in SLF in the near future.
It is really boils down to market forces. If Ryanair don't get the numbers they expect, then they will adjust, just as businesses do address market forces.
I am not in favour of any actions by companies , individuals, or whoever to reduce our terms and conditions in anyway but I am realistic that understand that the less pilots in the marketplace can mean better terms for us.
Call me selfish, of course there is that thought, but also recognise that we need new blood in our industry which hopefully will expand as this present situation abates.
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Unfortunately with that attitude T&Cs will plunge through the floor, want to fly for fun, get a PPL & a small plane, an investment like this should be seen as just that, an investment, like a rental property or some shares, I want to fly yes, but not at any cost, and am frustrated with those who queue up for this crap. Ryanair are one of the wealthiest companies in Europe (companies, no airlines, they are big compared to most companies, even outside aviation). They are taking you for a ride.
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Clearly we all want to fly. But we should not let any airline treat us as slaves. Exploitation of low hour pilots must stop. If no one showed any interest in Ryanair's "cadet program" that provides no job they would relinquish it and offer better options.
They clearly state that no job offer is secure. Don't you have anything better to do with 30000 euros? Then visit a casino. It's probably more or less the same..
Just wait for one year at least, improve your cv, get another job and continue studying. In any case there is not one single possibility that any low hour pilot will be flying in one year from now. Get your facts straight and stop dreaming. A pilot must be sensible to succeed.
They clearly state that no job offer is secure. Don't you have anything better to do with 30000 euros? Then visit a casino. It's probably more or less the same..
Just wait for one year at least, improve your cv, get another job and continue studying. In any case there is not one single possibility that any low hour pilot will be flying in one year from now. Get your facts straight and stop dreaming. A pilot must be sensible to succeed.
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https://www.citizensinformation.ie/e...ing_covid.html
Some highlights for you:
As you are going for what is a job interview, it looks like it will not fall into Essential Travel.
Good luck with the Sim, but to be completly honest, I would have thought you would have googled this, I did, took all of several seconds, after all we are supposed to think on our feet.
I take it your based in the UK, Have you asked if you can do the Sim in the UK at one of the Ryanair Training Centres here? They have both Fixed and Full Motion, I cannot imagine it would be that much of an issue
Some highlights for you:
- If you have to travel to Ireland, you must have proof of a negative or ‘not detected’ COVID-19 Reverse Transcription Polymerase Chain Reaction (RT-PCR) test taken within 72 hours of your arrival.
- You must quarantine if you travel to Ireland through Northern Ireland. Quarantine rules do not apply if your journey starts in Northern Ireland. These mandatory quarantine rules apply to people who arrive into Ireland from 4 February 2021.
- You must quarantine for 14 days at your place of residence stated on your Passenger Locator Form. In most cases, you can stop quarantining if you get a negative PCR test, taken 5 days after your arrival or as soon as possible after those 5 days. You must keep the written confirmation of your test result for at least 14 days.
As you are going for what is a job interview, it looks like it will not fall into Essential Travel.
Good luck with the Sim, but to be completly honest, I would have thought you would have googled this, I did, took all of several seconds, after all we are supposed to think on our feet.
I take it your based in the UK, Have you asked if you can do the Sim in the UK at one of the Ryanair Training Centres here? They have both Fixed and Full Motion, I cannot imagine it would be that much of an issue
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Yeah also looking in whether a job interview counts as essential travel. I didn't know UK sim could be an option, I know Ryanair does send some of the candidates to Italy for the assessment. Pre covid, I know they just default to sending all their candidates to Dublin. Is the UK sim in Stansted Airport?
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Regarding essential travel, maybe try to contact the Ireland Border Security? Not sure how you would go about that.
As for the Sims, I am pretty sure they have some in East Midlands Airport and of course some at Stansted, I have no idea if you can go to either, but its worth asking.
Italy is a new one one me.
Anyway, best of luck, I take it you have learnt some basic pitch and power settings, they will help no end.
Chris Brady has some on his website here: Rules of Thumb
Will give you a good starting point for the profile.
As for the Sims, I am pretty sure they have some in East Midlands Airport and of course some at Stansted, I have no idea if you can go to either, but its worth asking.
Italy is a new one one me.
Anyway, best of luck, I take it you have learnt some basic pitch and power settings, they will help no end.
Chris Brady has some on his website here: Rules of Thumb
Will give you a good starting point for the profile.
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Hey guys,
I did my assessment today, I think it went well, can't wait to see the results, but I am hoping for the best..
Yes once you come to Ireland, you have to be in a quarantine, but you can leave your quarantine, to take the assessment, as it is a temporarily exemption. You have to fill the passenger locator form, but you can leave to take the assessment. I am here in Dublin from Monday to Friday, so do not worry about getting fined or something.
The sim session is quite straightforward, like the technical part also. They want you to feel comfortable, they asked some technical ATPL questions, but they were not difficult. And the personal part of the interview is just rather a good talk.
I reccomend everyone to try the assessment, because you can gain a lot of new experience.
I did my assessment today, I think it went well, can't wait to see the results, but I am hoping for the best..
Yes once you come to Ireland, you have to be in a quarantine, but you can leave your quarantine, to take the assessment, as it is a temporarily exemption. You have to fill the passenger locator form, but you can leave to take the assessment. I am here in Dublin from Monday to Friday, so do not worry about getting fined or something.
The sim session is quite straightforward, like the technical part also. They want you to feel comfortable, they asked some technical ATPL questions, but they were not difficult. And the personal part of the interview is just rather a good talk.
I reccomend everyone to try the assessment, because you can gain a lot of new experience.
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I've asked for the UK base but they are not willing to do the assessment in Stansted. I'm guessing the same for East Midland. Thanks for the tip and help. I'll have a look. I don't think my past A320 Sim will help much on a 737. For sure ill double-check with Ireland's border security.
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Good day everyone,
Please can someone help me with any suggestions I have 2000+ Hours but its all on Turbo prop (Captain and FO), so i had to apply to Ryanair through the AFA Cadet program.
I paid the 55 for the initial assesment and i received an email today confirming that i have passed that and to confirm what date i can make for the sim and Hr interview after confirmation i now received an email saying i need to pay 350 (within 48 hours) for the assesment.
I have had a read on this thread but i wanted some advice, from what i believe if i pass this assesment i will be required to pay 30 000 for the B737 TR and after that still am not garenteed a job. Please can someone give me some advice on this as i would obviously like to fly for Ryanair, but i dont ever think (certainly not from my previous expericance) have had to pay for a interview and then also pay for a TR (normally you are bonded to that company for a few years).
Im new to the industry here in the UK and EU so if someone can give me any advice that will be greatly appricated
Cheers...
Please can someone help me with any suggestions I have 2000+ Hours but its all on Turbo prop (Captain and FO), so i had to apply to Ryanair through the AFA Cadet program.
I paid the 55 for the initial assesment and i received an email today confirming that i have passed that and to confirm what date i can make for the sim and Hr interview after confirmation i now received an email saying i need to pay 350 (within 48 hours) for the assesment.
I have had a read on this thread but i wanted some advice, from what i believe if i pass this assesment i will be required to pay 30 000 for the B737 TR and after that still am not garenteed a job. Please can someone give me some advice on this as i would obviously like to fly for Ryanair, but i dont ever think (certainly not from my previous expericance) have had to pay for a interview and then also pay for a TR (normally you are bonded to that company for a few years).
Im new to the industry here in the UK and EU so if someone can give me any advice that will be greatly appricated
Cheers...
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Hello Luke,
It is a type rating program, not an employment offer.
Obviously it could lead to an employment with RYR down the line if the industry picks up, but there are no guarantees.
It is a type rating program, not an employment offer.
Obviously it could lead to an employment with RYR down the line if the industry picks up, but there are no guarantees.
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Morning Luke,
You are correct in that you are absolutely not guaranteed a job with Ryanair after the type rating although it is likely that you will complete a line training program at some point (I think 18k/yr and £15 per hour) so you will probs make an overall loss on your c.35k expenses including TR. I have a similar background to you and I am personally sitting on my hands and paying off loans with a non flying job whilst things improve. You are an experienced professional- don't forget that.
You are correct in that you are absolutely not guaranteed a job with Ryanair after the type rating although it is likely that you will complete a line training program at some point (I think 18k/yr and £15 per hour) so you will probs make an overall loss on your c.35k expenses including TR. I have a similar background to you and I am personally sitting on my hands and paying off loans with a non flying job whilst things improve. You are an experienced professional- don't forget that.
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To shorten the answer, yes.
Luke3514
I honestly think with your experience you just need to be patient a bit and not throw 30k at this.. You have a lot more chances than cadets fresh out with 200h
To shorten the answer, yes.
Luke3514
I honestly think with your experience you just need to be patient a bit and not throw 30k at this.. You have a lot more chances than cadets fresh out with 200h
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Perseas,
You can go and fly 40min on a DA42 on that money...
Don't forget that before 2017 you also had to pay the TR price, and there was no bond, just like today, and the contract was the same with no job offer. Did those pilots get a job at Ryanair? Yes, they did.
Also, if you think that this is a scam with no real intention to employ, then why would Ryanair reject unsuitable candidates (who are willing to pay the price of the TR)? I think because they are looking for the appropiate pilots for their operation, and behind the whole TR programme, there is a real intention of employing the new cadets. Also don't forget that using the new pilots will be cheaper so till the industry comes back to normal, probably the younger cadets will fly more, and there is a possibility, that some of the more experienced pilots will not.
All in all, even 3 years ago a lot of pilots had to pay the TR fees, with the same contract.
You can go and fly 40min on a DA42 on that money...
Don't forget that before 2017 you also had to pay the TR price, and there was no bond, just like today, and the contract was the same with no job offer. Did those pilots get a job at Ryanair? Yes, they did.
Also, if you think that this is a scam with no real intention to employ, then why would Ryanair reject unsuitable candidates (who are willing to pay the price of the TR)? I think because they are looking for the appropiate pilots for their operation, and behind the whole TR programme, there is a real intention of employing the new cadets. Also don't forget that using the new pilots will be cheaper so till the industry comes back to normal, probably the younger cadets will fly more, and there is a possibility, that some of the more experienced pilots will not.
All in all, even 3 years ago a lot of pilots had to pay the TR fees, with the same contract.
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Yes, they did. Probably because they were actually hiring.. along with most other airlines at the time and not making those already employed redundant.
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The applicants had to have the type rating before they underwent selection. The pass rate was about 50%.
polskiland
My post was a reply to "Contact Approach" who felt that experience speaks for itself, I think you may have misunderstood the context.
The applicants had to have the type rating before they underwent selection. The pass rate was about 50%.
polskiland
My post was a reply to "Contact Approach" who felt that experience speaks for itself, I think you may have misunderstood the context.
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At 2017 there was a great demand worldwide for pilots. Everyone was hiring not only ryanair. Now everyone is firing. If you sum all the money you are going to spend on that interview I assume it's not less than 1000 euros (air tickets, hotels, bus or taxi, food etc) + 350 euros fee. Personally, I did my advanced uprt course at 550 euros and my MCC (in an A320) at 2500 euros. This is some experience that is still valid today. Ryanair's cadet program is a form of "pool" for the near or vast future. No job is expected until industry recovers. Of course a candidate must meet some criteria therefore some of them may be rejected but still this does not indicate that you'll be employed. As I said again, ryanair has not yet called back the freshly rated pilots who were dismissed a year ago. What makes you think that Ryanair needs any cadet? Just for the 30k? Sure they need that but just because they want or need your 30k it doesn't mean that they'll need you as well after the course.
At the moment experienced pilots face strong difficulties to get a job. It's quite ridiculous to think that you can compete with them.Keep your money safe for a type rating in the future that may well provide you with an actual job. Ryanair at the moment is selling a dream that will turn into a nightmare once you have completed the course. Not only they won't provide you with a job offer but also you are going to be resposible to revalidate your 737 rating on your own (1000-2000 euros per year). In conclusion, thanks but no thanks. Much better is to do an FI rating and start flying right away.
At 2017 there was a great demand worldwide for pilots. Everyone was hiring not only ryanair. Now everyone is firing. If you sum all the money you are going to spend on that interview I assume it's not less than 1000 euros (air tickets, hotels, bus or taxi, food etc) + 350 euros fee. Personally, I did my advanced uprt course at 550 euros and my MCC (in an A320) at 2500 euros. This is some experience that is still valid today. Ryanair's cadet program is a form of "pool" for the near or vast future. No job is expected until industry recovers. Of course a candidate must meet some criteria therefore some of them may be rejected but still this does not indicate that you'll be employed. As I said again, ryanair has not yet called back the freshly rated pilots who were dismissed a year ago. What makes you think that Ryanair needs any cadet? Just for the 30k? Sure they need that but just because they want or need your 30k it doesn't mean that they'll need you as well after the course.
At the moment experienced pilots face strong difficulties to get a job. It's quite ridiculous to think that you can compete with them.Keep your money safe for a type rating in the future that may well provide you with an actual job. Ryanair at the moment is selling a dream that will turn into a nightmare once you have completed the course. Not only they won't provide you with a job offer but also you are going to be resposible to revalidate your 737 rating on your own (1000-2000 euros per year). In conclusion, thanks but no thanks. Much better is to do an FI rating and start flying right away.