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A colleague on the flight deck has 3 friends from flight school who have all been put on 6 months unpaid leave just when they were due to go on to the higher pay rate and they have been told not to expect a vacancy at the end of the 6 months.....you would have to be bonkers to go anyd work for these people or beyond desperate!
I predicted this would happen a couple of months ago, I said it would be in Ryanairs interest to keep people running through their type rating scheme (and making a profit off them by overcharging for the course) and lay people off at the end of the 6 months when they would cost them significantly more!
sadly seems I was correct....
It is easy for me (and others) who have jobs and seniority in a company to tell you youngsters or less experienced individuals not to work for these people but you must wake up and smell the coffee when it comes to this company!
I predicted this would happen a couple of months ago, I said it would be in Ryanairs interest to keep people running through their type rating scheme (and making a profit off them by overcharging for the course) and lay people off at the end of the 6 months when they would cost them significantly more!
sadly seems I was correct....
It is easy for me (and others) who have jobs and seniority in a company to tell you youngsters or less experienced individuals not to work for these people but you must wake up and smell the coffee when it comes to this company!
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Best thing that FR has ever done if true. It may stop all these little wannabe's prostituting themselves and ruining the industry for all the decent people.
That's an obnoxious comment. Revelling in others' misfortune is hardly an attractive personality trait and one commensurate with being a 'decent' person. If you are a commercial pilot, smith, you too were a 'little wannabe' once upon a time.
And it's hardly the fault of those who aspire to a career in commercial aviation that the industry is on its knees, with the only feasible way in being via Ryanair and similarly exploitative airlines.
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Callone, you could be in with a shot by chance. Only for a few months though......
From PPJN:
......that said you will need to be 737NG rated.
Good Luck.
From PPJN:
85 First Officers needed for next three months - email [email protected] with full CV, JAA FCL, Class One Medical euro zone passport and covering letter.
Good Luck.
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my terms and conditions and pension have totally been eroded since fr came along. I feel like a bus driver now and its all down to the mercenary fr cadets. I refuse to fly with anyone who "pays to fly" my bosses don't like it but hey ho. A pilot who owe's £70-100k then gets paid peanuts or else has to pay for line hours can't, repeat can't, have their mind fully focused on their job what with loan repayments, mortgage/rent repayments, council tax, gas, leccy, food etc etc etc its just not safe unless your daddy is Donald Trump.
Any of you wannabe mercenaries come on the flight deck with me, don't expect a warm welcome, coz ur ruining my salary etc.
Anyway if you really want to get in then get punted out in six months, go for it, it will be worth it in the long run .......... NOT!!!
Any of you wannabe mercenaries come on the flight deck with me, don't expect a warm welcome, coz ur ruining my salary etc.
Anyway if you really want to get in then get punted out in six months, go for it, it will be worth it in the long run .......... NOT!!!
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I am on my high horse because I wasn't bent over a barrel by management, got respect from management, didn't pay a penny for type or line training, got a fair remuneration for my work and didn't have to pay for a bottle of water off the cart, my uniform or a hotel room when I was away from base. Is that fair enough.
The problem is the fr wannabe's are ruining that for everybody including themselves.
The problem is the fr wannabe's are ruining that for everybody including themselves.
Yes, it's fair that you shouldn't have to pay for your bottle of water and we all know that terms and conditions have deteriorated over the last 50 years. What you fail to point out is that terms and conditions have deteriorated in all industries over the last 50 years.
Nevertheless, you ought to go and grind your axe elsewhere. As you know - unless you've had your head in some deep sand - we haven't much choice in the matter if we want to fly for a living. You weren't bent over a barrel because there wasn't a barrel back then.
It's very odd that you should spend your spare time denigrating young pilots on a Wannabe forum. Your personal attacks on fellow victims of thisppy situation and your holier-than-thou attitude merely reflects poorly on you, not us.
Nevertheless, you ought to go and grind your axe elsewhere. As you know - unless you've had your head in some deep sand - we haven't much choice in the matter if we want to fly for a living. You weren't bent over a barrel because there wasn't a barrel back then.
It's very odd that you should spend your spare time denigrating young pilots on a Wannabe forum. Your personal attacks on fellow victims of this
ppy situation and your holier-than-thou attitude merely reflects poorly on you, not us.
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I COMPLETELY AGREE, and I'm sure you speak for many of us.
"I didn't pay for this, I didn't pay for that..." well good for you that I'm sure you managed to start your career in better times - congratulations. If this is your attitude, then I'm sure NOBODY would like to get in the cockpit with you. I would certainly turn around and refuse to fly with an egoist such as you as it would compromise passenger safety.
If, as you say, people are (have) prostituting themselves, then how can others compete? Like me, I would rather not pay for a Type Rating, however, I am faced with this or watching my colleagues and many other people jump ahead of me and possibly never get my dream job.
The fact of the matter is, with Ryanair, you see what you get, if it's not for you then hey. However, I'm hopeful I will suitably impress, fly a brilliant aircraft, for an extremely strong and expanding company, and be with them for many years and in turn actually earn back EVERY PENNY of the type rating cost in tax rebate.
I say good luck to any cadet, in such hard times anyone who manages to have even a sniff of a job deserves to be happy. It's hard work out there.
I COMPLETELY AGREE, and I'm sure you speak for many of us.
"I didn't pay for this, I didn't pay for that..." well good for you that I'm sure you managed to start your career in better times - congratulations. If this is your attitude, then I'm sure NOBODY would like to get in the cockpit with you. I would certainly turn around and refuse to fly with an egoist such as you as it would compromise passenger safety.
If, as you say, people are (have) prostituting themselves, then how can others compete? Like me, I would rather not pay for a Type Rating, however, I am faced with this or watching my colleagues and many other people jump ahead of me and possibly never get my dream job.
The fact of the matter is, with Ryanair, you see what you get, if it's not for you then hey. However, I'm hopeful I will suitably impress, fly a brilliant aircraft, for an extremely strong and expanding company, and be with them for many years and in turn actually earn back EVERY PENNY of the type rating cost in tax rebate.
I say good luck to any cadet, in such hard times anyone who manages to have even a sniff of a job deserves to be happy. It's hard work out there.
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In a lot of us BALPA member unionised airlines there are many captains who refuse quite rightly to fly with cadets who pay for line hours or do them for free. We actually think that a young lad with thousands and thousands of pounds debt hanging over him is more dangerous than any of us egotist pilots you talk about.
Can you imagine the PA to passengers "and my first officer who is paying us to fly you to Benidorm today is......."? half of the plane would walk off!!!
You can dress it up all you want and I sympathise with you in these current times but its just not right. And remember its not a career you are starting with FR its 6 months before you are chucked on the scrapheap and another lamb to the slaughter takes your place.
My mate from Uni graduated with a first class law degree, at the time there was no jobs for him in the area he wanted to work at, did he go running to the law firms saying he would pay to work for them? NO. Did he wait until the job he wanted came along?YES. Are him and his colleagues now charging £150 an hour for their services? Do they have great pension schemes? YES (well until recently
lol), do they have a free water fountain in the office?YES.
Listen guys, I understand your plight and wish you all the best, I really do, just so long as it doesn't affect my T's&C's somewhere down the line which one day ultimately it will.
Can you imagine the PA to passengers "and my first officer who is paying us to fly you to Benidorm today is......."? half of the plane would walk off!!!
You can dress it up all you want and I sympathise with you in these current times but its just not right. And remember its not a career you are starting with FR its 6 months before you are chucked on the scrapheap and another lamb to the slaughter takes your place.
My mate from Uni graduated with a first class law degree, at the time there was no jobs for him in the area he wanted to work at, did he go running to the law firms saying he would pay to work for them? NO. Did he wait until the job he wanted came along?YES. Are him and his colleagues now charging £150 an hour for their services? Do they have great pension schemes? YES (well until recently
lol), do they have a free water fountain in the office?YES.Listen guys, I understand your plight and wish you all the best, I really do, just so long as it doesn't affect my T's&C's somewhere down the line which one day ultimately it will.
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Hear Hear Smith, there are those that read experience as ego and common sense advice as trying to put a stop to their 'dream' job. There won't be any dream jobs left if Ryan are able to recruit naive kids willing to pay for that 'dream' job! 
You are not employed by Ryanair you are contracted by another comany, you have zero employement protection and zero influence over your T's and C's, frankly the only influence you have is how far you bend over before you get shafted by o'loadmouth and don't quote me how much you get paid to justify working for that outfit when you have pension, parking, food, water, hotels, medical, uniform holidays etc etc to pay for....
You are not employed by Ryanair you are contracted by another comany, you have zero employement protection and zero influence over your T's and C's, frankly the only influence you have is how far you bend over before you get shafted by o'loadmouth and don't quote me how much you get paid to justify working for that outfit when you have pension, parking, food, water, hotels, medical, uniform holidays etc etc to pay for....
Smith,
While I don't agree that it's entirely fair, I think your latest post articulates your views more diplomatically that the first one!
Nevertheless, many would find your point about not wishing to fly with pilots bearing mountains of debt, somewhat odd. For many years pilots have been joining legacy carriers and turboprop operators alike after graduating from integrated FTOs costing over £50,000. Inexperience and stress are undoubtedly dangerous, but having a job and being paid enough to make your loan payments is a great tonic!
It is a career many of us are starting. Whatever the unsubstantiated rumours about the scrapheap on 500 hours, I think most cadets would not hesitate to take the 500 hours and the possibility of a long term job with Ryanair over unemployment with no means to repay their stressful debt.
I'm pleased that your mate finally got the job he wanted in the Legal industry. He is a case in point. Tenacity and sacrifice are two valuable characteristics and your mate's story is echoed in the lives of many 'wannabe' pilots who are chasing every opportunity to get on the first step of the career ladder. But the legal profession is a different kettle of fish. Your mate's qualifications didn't expire after a year or so and his debt wasn't as high as that carried by pilots.
But talking about terms and conditions in other industries, the career path for a lawyer is typically:
A-Levels - free but no earnings.
Degree - £15,000 debt.
Law School - £10,000 debt.
Similar challenge getting a training contract as getting a first job in aviation, followed by:
Trainee Solicitor (1st year) - £12,000 pay.
Trainee Solicitor (2nd year) - £13,500 pay.
Newly qualified Solicitor - £21,000 pay.
After 3 years and charging £150 per hour to clients - £30,000 pay.
Of course, your mate may be working in the City of London earning a lot more than your typical High Street lawyer. That said, all lawyers are trained to the same standards and, except for those who have rich parents, all make the same financial sacrifices. With the global slowdown, it's harder than ever to get into the legal profession, but the costs of doing so are higher than the example I give above. Lawyers and pilots actually face a similarly crppy start to their careers. More experienced lawyers don't spend their time denigrating wannabe lawyers! 
MVE - Nobody said working for Ryanair was the 'dream', but making a start in the industry is. But thanks for your constructive comments. Slating Ryanair is easy, getting a job in Aviation isn't.
While I don't agree that it's entirely fair, I think your latest post articulates your views more diplomatically that the first one!
Nevertheless, many would find your point about not wishing to fly with pilots bearing mountains of debt, somewhat odd. For many years pilots have been joining legacy carriers and turboprop operators alike after graduating from integrated FTOs costing over £50,000. Inexperience and stress are undoubtedly dangerous, but having a job and being paid enough to make your loan payments is a great tonic!
It is a career many of us are starting. Whatever the unsubstantiated rumours about the scrapheap on 500 hours, I think most cadets would not hesitate to take the 500 hours and the possibility of a long term job with Ryanair over unemployment with no means to repay their stressful debt.
I'm pleased that your mate finally got the job he wanted in the Legal industry. He is a case in point. Tenacity and sacrifice are two valuable characteristics and your mate's story is echoed in the lives of many 'wannabe' pilots who are chasing every opportunity to get on the first step of the career ladder. But the legal profession is a different kettle of fish. Your mate's qualifications didn't expire after a year or so and his debt wasn't as high as that carried by pilots.
But talking about terms and conditions in other industries, the career path for a lawyer is typically:
A-Levels - free but no earnings.
Degree - £15,000 debt.
Law School - £10,000 debt.
Similar challenge getting a training contract as getting a first job in aviation, followed by:
Trainee Solicitor (1st year) - £12,000 pay.
Trainee Solicitor (2nd year) - £13,500 pay.
Newly qualified Solicitor - £21,000 pay.
After 3 years and charging £150 per hour to clients - £30,000 pay.
Of course, your mate may be working in the City of London earning a lot more than your typical High Street lawyer. That said, all lawyers are trained to the same standards and, except for those who have rich parents, all make the same financial sacrifices. With the global slowdown, it's harder than ever to get into the legal profession, but the costs of doing so are higher than the example I give above. Lawyers and pilots actually face a similarly cr
ppy start to their careers. More experienced lawyers don't spend their time denigrating wannabe lawyers! MVE - Nobody said working for Ryanair was the 'dream', but making a start in the industry is. But thanks for your constructive comments. Slating Ryanair is easy, getting a job in Aviation isn't.
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Hey cmvidini!
Yeah, they called me the day after and said I passed. Just waiting for a TR date. Think it'll be quite some time. At least six months if I've understood everything correctly. (They didn't say though)
Were you there?
Yeah, they called me the day after and said I passed. Just waiting for a TR date. Think it'll be quite some time. At least six months if I've understood everything correctly. (They didn't say though)
Were you there?
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Yep I was there. I've been offered a cheaper Type and Job Opportunity, still on the 737 so taking that instead. Wish you all the best - Try to get a RyanAir contract after the TR, you'll have less chance of being furloughed when its time for them to start paying you.
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cmvidini:
Ok! That sounds good! Where are you gonna do the TR and how much is it?
For the moment I'm just happy to have been accepted =).
Heard from a friend within Ryan that they were gonna expand quite a bit next year (but you never know), so I'll just hang around 'til they give me a call.
Cheers!
Ok! That sounds good! Where are you gonna do the TR and how much is it?
For the moment I'm just happy to have been accepted =).
Heard from a friend within Ryan that they were gonna expand quite a bit next year (but you never know), so I'll just hang around 'til they give me a call.
Cheers!