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Old 15th Sep 2008, 16:28
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I know of a few people who have had assessments after the 'last' TR course had started. NONE have been accepted.

At 260 a pop it makes you very suspicious.....

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Old 15th Sep 2008, 18:43
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i can second that
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Old 16th Sep 2008, 09:50
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i suggest you pop over to Terms&Endearment and take a look at the Ryanair Unpaid leave thread. I'm afraid it doesn't look good for those of you who hoped for a job at Ryanair.
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Old 16th Sep 2008, 14:08
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Because this thread is more about assessments and recruitment and the other tread about the unpaid leave, I have posted a quote from the memo here:

Since we already have more than treble the applications we require for our possible future needs
we have decided to impose a recruitment freeze with immediate effect (from 15th September)
until further notice. This freeze will be reviewed again in early January 2009. Training courses
already scheduled for October will be run as planned, however no further recruits will be added
to these courses.



Are the already scheduled assessments canceled? Who is waiting for the results of the assessment and from which date?
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Old 17th Sep 2008, 09:31
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Ryanair's current predicament is due to the a/c reduction this winter. A friend fo mine was in for assesment yesterday and he was told they still plan to grow next year as much as originally planned. Everyone who had been scheduled on for assesment will still be brought in and they will be informed that they are in a holiding pool and if succcessful will get a call at later date. They explained to him that they are just trying to make sure all their current pilots get as much flying time as possible in what is sure to be an interesting winter for all airlines!
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Old 17th Sep 2008, 13:04
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No one doubts that there is a good reason for stopping recruitment at the minute. The problem is that they are still calling people forward for assessment AFTER they have told their workforce that they are not accepting any more cadets. At 260 a time.

I know of at least 6 people who have been 'assessed' in the last 3 weeks. NONE got through. They are all good pilots and good people. 2 had previous jet experience.

I'm sure nothing can be proved. They will be very careful like that. I'll just say that it seems very suspicious to me. Buyer beware......

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Old 17th Sep 2008, 14:11
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EK4457 - I think you will find thay they are not calling people forward for assesment and are only seeing the people that were already scheduled in for assesment. The workforce was only told on Monday that they were not accepting any more cadets. Do you know someone who has been called in in the last 2 days? Ryanair cadet pass rate is notoriously low anyway. Like said above ryanair would not make a profit on 260 assesments considerign all the resources that go into the assesments.
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Old 17th Sep 2008, 14:40
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I agree with Philip, 260 (or 520 since its X 2) would not cover the costs to operate the simulator alone during your interview. My assessment lasted 3hrs in the sim (only 2 of us being assessed that day so they made the most of it), do this through a provider who are in the business to make money and it will set you back at least a grand!

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Old 17th Sep 2008, 16:07
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Phillip Jones - the work force were told about 3 or 4 weeks ago via crewdock. Sim assessments continued up untill yesterday.

As for the costs, we could argue all day as I'm sure we don't know the financial breakdown of the day itself. The HR guys are probably salaried so it doesn't matter if they are assessing or not. These costs are pretty much fixed whether there are 20 or 0 people assessed.

If you want to buy 1 hour on a 737 simulator with a compay like virtualaviation (ie they are making money out of it) it will cost you about 500. The same as Ryanair charge per hour.

I'm not suggesting they are making a fortune out of assessments. I agree, they are probably not doing an awful lot more than breaking even. My point is that I'm sure they would have stopped assessments a tad sooner if they were free.

But, you pays your money and you takes your choice.

Oh and I completely agree. The standards for the FR assessment are very high, despite the rumours. They just seem to have got impossibly tough all of a sudden!
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Old 17th Sep 2008, 16:14
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I was told last week by 'the horses mouth' that there were still a few places left on the last remaining TR courses, and that assessments would be honoured to fill those last remaining places.

This of course means that should the standard of applicants be very high, it'll be a very high level required to be accepted hence why 'good pilots' may have been turned down.

If further assessments have been cancelled then that simply suggests that those places have now been filled.

Recruitment will start next year, that is almost certain. But its fair to say that some of those places will no longer go to 'newbies' and may well go to experienced pilots that have been made redundant by other airlines.

Also, I think a bit of basic number crunching and common sense will tell you that while 260pp covers much of the costs, Ryanair certainly dont make money from running assessments. And the staff involved would be more profitable conducting staff training/renewals etc.
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Old 17th Sep 2008, 23:26
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Well here is my story. I had my assessment in July. I was offered a training course. Yea for me! Well now I had a list of things to do...on my nickel. about 3000 quid worth. Finally got all the clerical prerequisites done. Then just found out training courses were cancelled indefinately. I hope Boeing ends this strike soon!
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Old 18th Sep 2008, 09:23
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727,

Sorry to hear your news. However, if you were offered a TR course from your asses in July then it would have been for this month? no? or at least you would have had a fixed date for the TR course. The memo states that all cadets booked on the course will continue, but no more will be added to courses as from 15th Sept. I am sure you will have had a course date by the 15th sept if your asses was in July. (my asses was on 19th Aug and I had the TR date by 27th).
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Old 18th Sep 2008, 20:57
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I am/was coming from the states. I had to get a background check, IAA Medical, UK Work Visa etc. Tried to get everything done ASAP. The work visa really slowed things down. Oh well maybe next year.
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Old 24th Oct 2008, 16:19
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Hi,

I've just passed my assessment with FR and am waiting for a course start date. I was wondering if anyone who has been through FRs TR could give me any tips on what I should read up on to prepare. Also, how much did you budget for TR, accomm, uniform etc.

Cheers!
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Old 25th Oct 2008, 00:06
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is RYanair recruting again?
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Old 25th Oct 2008, 14:04
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No, but they are planning for next year. Most of the people who are successful now will be given TR start dates of March 2009 onwards.

TR expense, my total for everything was 27k.
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Old 25th Oct 2008, 19:18
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Look at smartcockpit.com. Run by an FR LTC. It's all there. The TR course as far as the CBT is woefully inadequate at CAE although I understand that SAS is much better. The manuals they give you are good enough and the sim in general is first class. In my experience. Don't get bogged down at this stage. Also the Bill Bulfer RYANAIR 737NG manual is a must buy.
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Old 25th Oct 2008, 19:45
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Can anyone advise me if Ryanair have a maximum age restriction on cadets who wish to pursue the TR course?

Thanks in advance.
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Old 26th Oct 2008, 22:52
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i don'tthink so but you do have to pass the assessment like any other candidate. Do be aware that the older you get the harder it becomes to learn things and airlines do take that in to consideration (adversely but never officially).

When I did my TR last year it was the 4th one I did (aged 43) and it was not easy, even with solid previous experience. A chap on my course was slightly older than me and was a cadet with low hours. Unfortunately he didn't make it through the course but it was the sim that got him rather than the theoretical stuff. You have to be able to think quickly and learn quickly. The sim is there to practice what you already learned. I think it was the basics that let him down. This is the exception by the way.

good luck, but don't spend a cent on a TR until you have an absolutely guaranteed job offer. In writing and witnessed by the Pope.
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Old 26th Oct 2008, 23:02
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I think it was the basics that let him down.
I think most failures at TR or training in general comes down to capacity more than anything. And this is exactly what the airlines look for in their sim assessments.
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