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Old 3rd May 2021, 23:55
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I wouldn’t be at all surprised at jet2 bringing in apprentices now as it’s at zero risk to them. In fact the apprentices get paid significantly less for the jobs they do (eg. Flight planning) than the regular workers. If at the end of the term there’s no flying jobs available, the most likely outcome would be an extension of the ‘apprenticeship’.
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Old 6th May 2021, 10:49
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Hi all, Im new and I was looking for some infos about the new application for FR during the pandemic because I was thinking about it and I'm looking for some other details.


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Are the contract employment based on performance and business demand. Cadets performance 🤔 and business demand (=pandemic evolution)? What if the thing will go better? Will be the cadets hired with a third part agency? Any ideas or infos?

If I'm not wrong, this are identical to the old conditions before the intro of the bond because a friend of mine applied for FR and received a contract with condition similar to this with no job guarantee at the end of the TR, with the upfront payment of the TR and no fix base for about 6 months if I remember but it is up to every single person to accept or deny this "offer".

It not older than a couple of months and anoher one is still open, that 2 german airline was/are looking for pilot and to be honest the conditions were not so different apart from the TR to be paid.
Today ALL the airline which hire, are going to offer contract of six months and all the offer are based on the evolution of the pandemic (its clearly stated in every single application.
Obviously the moment is the worst one and every single airline is trying too survive but we all do not know in six months what is going to happen (we got the vaccine, the people could travel again) and if so all the industry will start to recover maybe continental traffic faster than intercontinental
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Old 6th May 2021, 16:17
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If you compare the T&Cs and salaries between Europe and the USA you will see a massive difference. Now ask yourself, why is that?
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Old 21st May 2021, 04:48
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Hi Everyone! I would like to get some help from those who started the TR course

I have received the training contract and I am required now to pay the training fee but it says 30,000.00 excluding VAT. Does anyone know what it means? Maybe its going to be more than 30 000 later? I have my own company (LTD) and I would like to transfer the money from the company account to get an invoice issued so I could put it into my expenses. Do anyone know how does it work? Thank you for your answers in advance!
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Old 21st May 2021, 09:11
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Generally if is 30k excluding VAT at the end it should be more than 30k.
In another thread there are this kind of infos regarding the new TR scheme.. "Cost - back then it was in the region of 26-28k however this could be offset against tax, so eventual cost came out in the region of 15-17k. Now it is 30k with no expenses allowed, so the actual cost to the individual has almost doubled"
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Old 21st May 2021, 10:40
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What does your ltd company do? Is it aviation/aircraft operation related? If not, how could you possibly count it as a genuine expense necessary for the operation of the company?
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Old 21st May 2021, 10:53
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If you are not earning a comparable salary, then I think you may already know the answer.
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Old 21st May 2021, 15:46
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As m_w said, if ur company is flying / piloting related u will be able to deduct the TR from your profits. But ONLY in sucha a case, or if u change the profile of the company for such (i.e. u will be able to deduct it from future earnings as 737 pilot, being it in RYR or not). As for VAT, as a rule in the UE, professional training is exempt from VAT, so there should not be any on top. I know UK is not int the UE anymore, but their VAT regulations are pretty much the same as they were (with some exeptions concerning cross border transactions).
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Old 21st May 2021, 16:01
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Czibola

I’ll start by saying that this forum is definitely not the best place to get concrete tax advice.

With regards to the TR and your limited company: the nature of your business it’s not relevant, as other posters have stated.
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Old 21st May 2021, 16:30
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The rate of VAT in Ireland is back to 23%, so €30,000 becomes €36,900 ?
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Old 22nd May 2021, 10:57
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Im amazed Ryanair dont charge even more. They could charge 100k for the rating under the current terms with no promise of a job and still get people showing up.

To my utter amazement people are showing up for day 1 at integrated flight schools a year into this aviation-destroying pandemic. It shows that the market for training isn't just price inelastic, it is demand inelastic too. Kids will pay any amount of money for even the slightest sniff of an instagram moment in a aircraft cockpit.
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Old 27th May 2021, 11:57
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Good news for the new joiners, we had UK wide videoconference yesterday.

It was confirmed the number of cadets needed is between 600/700 and there will be no holding pool as such.

Every cadet will begin line training after type rating with no delay.

See you guys soon.
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Old 27th May 2021, 12:41
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Isn't there any news for rated captains?
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Old 27th May 2021, 12:42
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Or rated FO's?
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Old 27th May 2021, 12:44
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I'm sorry Iome, but in what delusional world do you live in that this is good news?
In the video conference management confirmed that current staff WILL have to take part time/ UNpaid leave over autumn/winter because there won't be enough flights going around for current staff/ let alone cadets.

So if by good news you mean: there is a opportunity to pay 30K for a typerating/ linetraining, after which you will be put on unpaid leave till summer than sure, great news.
As always, RYR is not letting a good crisis go to waste and using corona as a final push to get labour cost to a new low in commercial aviation and reintroducing a pay 2 fly scheme.

I truly feel sorry for those in/just out of flight school with delusional ideas about being an airline pilot and the associated lifestyle. You will get a reality check real quick once you sign on with the Irish mafia.
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Old 27th May 2021, 12:46
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In house CU's are only planned for late autumn/winter, with a huge backlog of those. So I don't expect RYR to take in DEC's for the next year/2 years. Unless maybe you want to pay them for the pleasure of pressing VNAV like the cadets, I'm sure they are willing to take you in.

Good luck!
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Old 27th May 2021, 15:49
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You asked why LCCs want cadets despite the great number of unemployed experienced pilots out there? The previous couple of posts contain a big part of the answer. Because it's easy to give your own definition of "normalcy" to someone who doesn't know otherwise. Someone fresh out of flight school can obviously be made to believe that it's OK to make one pay for a TR and then send them on unpaid leave for 6-9 months. Why? Because he/she still hasn't seen anything different from that. Those are the very same people who are shocked to find out that other establishments provide their crews with accommodation at the company's expense when out of base and even with a free shuttle from the hotel to the airport.
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Old 27th May 2021, 20:53
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Well how many SFO's with 6 years experience earn up to $250.000 a year? (in Europe)
Equally how many Captains with 10 years seniority earn between $350.000 - 450.000 a year (in Europe)?

How many SCCM earns up to $100.000 in Europe?

This is flying for US's most famous LoCost airline, SWA.

Europe / UK are shafted because of companies like RYR / Wizz, who represent the bottom pit of the gravy train, trying their best to make sure being airline pilot pays slightly more then packing shelves at Tesco. But be happy and smile as you get shafted.
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Old 28th May 2021, 08:38
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6 years of experience or 6 years seniority in the company? Because SWA requires 2500h total and 1000h turbine PIC preferred (more or less mandatory, unless they are desperate for pilots). So it will take quite a while to get 1000h PIC, before one even meets the minimum requirement to join. Oh, and add the time and the cost of a 4-year degree to that.

Having a glance here, you can see that only 219 of their pilots are aged less than 40 (will be 65 in 2046 or later), so it's not like year 6 pilot is 25 - most likely it's double that age.

I bet if you are in the left seat of a European LCC by 25 on a 6-figure salary and invest the money right, you won't be far off from the average USA pilot - remember, not everyone makes it to the majors there at the age of 23, and a lot of people are stuck in regionals for life.

And at the end, it's all sticks and stones - they've got the right to live and work in the USA, most of us don't, so those jobs aren't accessible anyway.
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Old 28th May 2021, 13:31
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I think those numbers are slightly outdated, I have full copy of the current TC's, which to be honest are pretty amazing (not the forget the 11% profit share bonus) but still in the end it's as you say sticks and stones, as us from Europe can't work there.

But the point I am trying to make is the fact that airlines in Europe / UK, have cheapened the profession, also in Europe before it used to be you needed 1000 - 1500 hours to even get a chance to get a jet job, then along came Ryanair and many others, who saw there was an opportunity to take advantage of eager pilots willing to do anything to get a job, including paying for their own training and working for peanuts. For those who say Europe does not have the possibility for this development, I say that is nonsense. When I first got into aviation that was the standard way, work as instructor for few years, get some hours, join a TP operator and get multi crew experience and 1000 - 1500 hours, and then straight to the big airlines. The ones who destroyed this natural development route was the likes of Ryanair. And Europe has been lucky because during this "trial" there was never a major accident, such as the Colgan Air accident, which lead to major changes in the US.

Add the cost of their training and period of low pay, and I still struggle to see it will end up equal.4 -5 years in the regionals, and you could get into a company like SWA, I am just using them as an example as they are LoCo and I have friends working there, and when comparing work packages, it is amazing to see the difference. Then again SWA has a very strong union, which is big part of their success. My friend who is there, is in his early 40's already with over 10 years in the LHS.

Having a limit of hours to join, example 1500 hours, would ensure protecting the industry and the TC's of the pilot profession, and with mandatory union membership for new joiners. Many might not see the advantage of union membership, specially new young pilots who when join think it's not of much use, until we have a situation like now with this current pandemic. We have seen companies do what they want, because there is a lack of unity within the company among the pilots, so in the end we are own worst enemies.

The previous "carrot" was that you would join and within 5 - 6 years you will be in the LHS, however this pandemic has changed this "structure" - new FO's joining are going to be exploited to the full on zero hour contracts, until the airlines manage to find some kind of sustainable recovery over the next few years. Equally there will be thousands of experienced FO's , in the bottle neck for upgrades. At one point we can reach a level where airlines will not be doing upgrades for several years, but of course they will continue to need "cheap" FO's who are willing to pay for their training and working for below liveable salary.

Before the pandemic there was an outlook of genuine short term shortage, companies where willing to do more to get flight crew, however now it has all be reset to probably the worst time ever in the industry, there will be man pilots not returning to the flight deck for many various reasons, some will have discovered life outside the Cockpit is not that bad, others simply will not be able to find a job and go out of currency. Because in reality, there are no new jobs out there available at the moment, that could not be filled by pilots who lost their livelihood the last 15 months.
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