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Ermmm...ok. I posted one (neutral) answer regarding when your account was created. Nothing more, nothing less. I find it kind of unfriendly, to say at least, to receive this answer; especially from a professional account representing an airline.
Ermmm...ok. I posted one (neutral) answer regarding when your account was created. Nothing more, nothing less. I find it kind of unfriendly, to say at least, to receive this answer; especially from a professional account representing an airline.
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Ryanair are that desperate they’ve actually come here to cry fake news. Those who have contributed here are all offering sound advice. Why wouldnt you want to know all of the facts before parting with 30k for a job that currently does not exist.
If Ryanair were so sure this was as good as it gets they wouldn’t be here slagging people off they’d be putting the facts straight and giving you all the answers, after all this is the Ryanair interview and assessment thread right?
So c’mon Ryanairrecruitment put the record straight, prove us all wrong and provide the valuable information these people are seeking so they can see what it is they are getting themselves into... or is that not what you want?
And to save those from saying this is a job then here is the very meaning by definition:
If Ryanair were so sure this was as good as it gets they wouldn’t be here slagging people off they’d be putting the facts straight and giving you all the answers, after all this is the Ryanair interview and assessment thread right?
So c’mon Ryanairrecruitment put the record straight, prove us all wrong and provide the valuable information these people are seeking so they can see what it is they are getting themselves into... or is that not what you want?
And to save those from saying this is a job then here is the very meaning by definition:
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I would really want to know where you get your information from? I personally have 2 close friends who work for Ryanair now and they started a few years ago, same thing 30k upfront etc.
How do you know you dont get a job? Because as I read your comments you are basically already assuming Ryanair will not offer you a job after the TR
I would really want to know where you get your information from? I personally have 2 close friends who work for Ryanair now and they started a few years ago, same thing 30k upfront etc.
How do you know you dont get a job? Because as I read your comments you are basically already assuming Ryanair will not offer you a job after the TR
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I get my information from people going through this very scheme now. Two years ago is irrelevant because there wasn’t a pandemic and the world wasn’t closed.
You do not sign anything but a training contract which covers TR, base training and line training, there’s zero guarantee you will be offered a job when that finishes. This may have worked in the past when the world was flying and people just wanted their hours then leave for greener pastures however that is no longer the case. No one is flying and no one will leave for sometime to come. Pay has been frozen until 2024 that tells you all you need to know in terms of a realistic demand forecast.
So ask yourself: when will you be needed and what guarantee do you have that that will be summer 2022? How will you keep yourself and your rating current between finishing the training contract and being employed? If or when that even happens.
Ask your mates how much flying they’ve done in 12 months and you’ll have your answer. Also, If no one can move on and demand isn’t there for sometime to come where are you going to fit in?
Like i said previously I am happy for Ryanairrecruitment to correct me if I am wrong. I have a hunch they won’t offer anything constructive though.
You do not sign anything but a training contract which covers TR, base training and line training, there’s zero guarantee you will be offered a job when that finishes. This may have worked in the past when the world was flying and people just wanted their hours then leave for greener pastures however that is no longer the case. No one is flying and no one will leave for sometime to come. Pay has been frozen until 2024 that tells you all you need to know in terms of a realistic demand forecast.
So ask yourself: when will you be needed and what guarantee do you have that that will be summer 2022? How will you keep yourself and your rating current between finishing the training contract and being employed? If or when that even happens.
Ask your mates how much flying they’ve done in 12 months and you’ll have your answer. Also, If no one can move on and demand isn’t there for sometime to come where are you going to fit in?
Like i said previously I am happy for Ryanairrecruitment to correct me if I am wrong. I have a hunch they won’t offer anything constructive though.
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What I am trying to say is that it was always like this, always cadets paid for the TR and there was never a job guarantee. (With airlines like RYR hiring cadets)
Before I started my ATPL training I investigated and it was pretty clear for me that I would have to pay the TR myself. Or the airline has some kind of bond or the TR needed to pay upfront. It seems that many people are surprised by the fact that they need to pay for their own TR and now are frustrated because they only calculate the cost of the ATPL and probably thought that this investment was enough to bring them in the cockpit.
Off course this scheme is risky without a job guarantee but it always been like that, some people suggest here to wait. I know guys that finished and waited…waited… and waited… And are still waiting..
Before I started my ATPL training I investigated and it was pretty clear for me that I would have to pay the TR myself. Or the airline has some kind of bond or the TR needed to pay upfront. It seems that many people are surprised by the fact that they need to pay for their own TR and now are frustrated because they only calculate the cost of the ATPL and probably thought that this investment was enough to bring them in the cockpit.
Off course this scheme is risky without a job guarantee but it always been like that, some people suggest here to wait. I know guys that finished and waited…waited… and waited… And are still waiting..
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In 2019 the TR cost was 5k and included a bond, there was a level of commitment from both sides. Right now there’s zero commitment from Ryanair and all the risk is on the cadet. Would you buy a car for 30k if there was a chance it may be delivered sometime in the future but it wasnt guaranteed? probably not. You could even argue that at least you get a 737 TR but its all but useless without the hours on type, less so in todays market.
The guys you know are waiting because realistically that is all you can do right now.
The guys you know are waiting because realistically that is all you can do right now.
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Well the cost are still the same, you end up still paying 30K, off course the risk with the 5K is much different but at the end the cost are the same.
What I hear from friends who are working actually for RYR that this offer is not too bad. If they hire you they need you, they will not train you and afterwards tell you that you can go home.
If you start now and finish in 6/8 months the world looks allot different, if not. Well then probably you will be flying not much. Its a risk, but the guys who find jobs quickly take risk and don’t sit in home waiting for better times.
It its a offer, maybe in the future there will be a better one, but when?
The more time you wait the more difficult it will be to find a job.
- If anyone could give me some recent tips for the assessment, appreciate it!
What I hear from friends who are working actually for RYR that this offer is not too bad. If they hire you they need you, they will not train you and afterwards tell you that you can go home.
If you start now and finish in 6/8 months the world looks allot different, if not. Well then probably you will be flying not much. Its a risk, but the guys who find jobs quickly take risk and don’t sit in home waiting for better times.
It its a offer, maybe in the future there will be a better one, but when?
The more time you wait the more difficult it will be to find a job.
- If anyone could give me some recent tips for the assessment, appreciate it!
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One of my friends works as a LTC for Ryanair and he tells me that the cadets he trained have had the same scheme as this and they all got hired afterwards.
Clearly the line training takes much longer due to COVID but they are flying and as soon as there are more flights they will be scheduled more. But they still receive salary its not that they are done after the training.
Like Banana Joe said, this deal will not be for everybody. If you have the finance’s and you are willing to take a risk, go for it.
Clearly the line training takes much longer due to COVID but they are flying and as soon as there are more flights they will be scheduled more. But they still receive salary its not that they are done after the training.
Like Banana Joe said, this deal will not be for everybody. If you have the finance’s and you are willing to take a risk, go for it.
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Its a fixed term 6 month line training contract with Bluesky Aviation, not Ryanair. Its 16K pro rata excluding a small addition per block hour. How are you going to relocate pay rent, fuel food and any loan repayments on that?
When that ends you go back home and thats that.
Its a fixed term 6 month line training contract with Bluesky Aviation, not Ryanair. Its 16K pro rata excluding a small addition per block hour. How are you going to relocate pay rent, fuel food and any loan repayments on that?
When that ends you go back home and thats that.
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Thats not what I am being told. My information comes from pilots from RYR and the cadets are offered a job afterwards.
Like I said, the deal is not for everybody if you don’t have the finance’s the offer is not for you. But if you do have, than with the basic salary you should have just enough to cover or almost cover your living expenses.
Like I said, the deal is not for everybody if you don’t have the finance’s the offer is not for you. But if you do have, than with the basic salary you should have just enough to cover or almost cover your living expenses.
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Your lack of knowledge and experience of the industry shines out in all of your posts.
You are being given sound advice from others and simply spouting “if you have the money it’s fine”; precisely what Ryanair is wanting to hear.
Being a pilot involves a huge amount of risk based analysis and risk mitigation. What you’re suggesting is an incredibly poor example of both.
Highly experienced LTC in RYR currently on (maximum) 1 flight a week, but sure they need all these fresh new cadets... or just their cash?
Wake up
Your lack of knowledge and experience of the industry shines out in all of your posts.
You are being given sound advice from others and simply spouting “if you have the money it’s fine”; precisely what Ryanair is wanting to hear.
Being a pilot involves a huge amount of risk based analysis and risk mitigation. What you’re suggesting is an incredibly poor example of both.
Highly experienced LTC in RYR currently on (maximum) 1 flight a week, but sure they need all these fresh new cadets... or just their cash?
Wake up
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I would like to reiterate the advice I gave on my previous post and the one given by many others before me. WAIT, be patient for a couple more years lets see how this thing develops.
As I said, it's true that Ryanair might give you a job at the end of training, but don't think that it will come easily (pay for type 30k + living expenses during the type + living expenses during base training + living expenses during the supernumerary flights + living expenses during unpaid leave + living expenses during line training).
It does not show good judgment if you make a decision impulsively on a rush with this amount of risk.
There will be airlines recruiting, not sure when but they will eventually need pilots. Let's not forget what was happening before the pandemic, the Asian and middle east carriers were recruiting so aggressively and that caused many opportunities here in Europe. Seeing the fleet orders from such airlines could potentially suggest a similar outcome in the future. The last thing to consider is pilots retiring, many pilots have taken the pandemic as an opportunity to accept early retirements and although this does not justify a recruitment campaign for many European airlines at the moment it will be an opportunity when things return to pre-pandemic levels.
As I said, it's true that Ryanair might give you a job at the end of training, but don't think that it will come easily (pay for type 30k + living expenses during the type + living expenses during base training + living expenses during the supernumerary flights + living expenses during unpaid leave + living expenses during line training).
It does not show good judgment if you make a decision impulsively on a rush with this amount of risk.
There will be airlines recruiting, not sure when but they will eventually need pilots. Let's not forget what was happening before the pandemic, the Asian and middle east carriers were recruiting so aggressively and that caused many opportunities here in Europe. Seeing the fleet orders from such airlines could potentially suggest a similar outcome in the future. The last thing to consider is pilots retiring, many pilots have taken the pandemic as an opportunity to accept early retirements and although this does not justify a recruitment campaign for many European airlines at the moment it will be an opportunity when things return to pre-pandemic levels.
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Your tone and ‘’positive’’ mindset will get you there mate.
Pilots are risk evaluators, I agree. This offer is not great but it's the only offer at this moment for cadets.
Cadets come to this forum to find information regarding the assessment but will find people like yourself who are only complaining and complaining..
Good luck!
Your tone and ‘’positive’’ mindset will get you there mate.
Pilots are risk evaluators, I agree. This offer is not great but it's the only offer at this moment for cadets.
Cadets come to this forum to find information regarding the assessment but will find people like yourself who are only complaining and complaining..
Good luck!
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Great, you see that it’s the only offering at the moment. Now go a little further and ask yourself why they decided to open this scheme in the middle of the lowest point in aviation history?
Maybe just maybe it’s because they know a load of naive low hour pilots will be desperate to get into an airline and they can take advantage of that. They currently have zero competition so they can milk it as much as possible.
They come on here and talk a load of rubbish instead of showing everyone why it’s so great.
Also for anybody that thinks ‘why would they get rid of you after all that training?’ SIMPLE they haven’t invested a single penny in you, that’s why they can easily get rid.
Maybe just maybe it’s because they know a load of naive low hour pilots will be desperate to get into an airline and they can take advantage of that. They currently have zero competition so they can milk it as much as possible.
They come on here and talk a load of rubbish instead of showing everyone why it’s so great.
Also for anybody that thinks ‘why would they get rid of you after all that training?’ SIMPLE they haven’t invested a single penny in you, that’s why they can easily get rid.
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Flying90,
I personally don’t care if you wish to go ahead with this scheme. I’m just providing you with the facts based on what those are being offered right now, not two years ago. If you choose not to listen then thats on you.
Those who have recently started have done so accepting the risk and we’ll soon find out if that pays off.
Your general attitude comes across as extremely poor and it won’t do you many favours in any airline i know. Humility goes a long way.
Good luck.
I personally don’t care if you wish to go ahead with this scheme. I’m just providing you with the facts based on what those are being offered right now, not two years ago. If you choose not to listen then thats on you.
Those who have recently started have done so accepting the risk and we’ll soon find out if that pays off.
Your general attitude comes across as extremely poor and it won’t do you many favours in any airline i know. Humility goes a long way.
Good luck.