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Old 6th Feb 2021, 09:08
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This about sums things up, iome. RYR will not repeat the mistake of 2017, when flying opportunities were abundant but there were no sufficient crews which led to flight cancellations and pilots being asked to volunteer to work during their annual vacations for extra pay. Now, they will make sure that enough crews are trained and ready ahead of time. Why it will be largely cadets instead of experienced guys and girls has already been detailed an uncountable number of times. Cost and standardisation, in a nutshell.

So, as long as you are under the clear understanding that this is a long-term investment and you do not do something stupid like putting mortgage on the family home without having a sound alternative source of income, you're probably good to go. If that's where you see yourself for the coming years - fantastic. If not - well, you can always wait for other opportunities. There will be other opportunities, no matter how bad it might look now.
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Old 6th Feb 2021, 10:45
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Aviation collapses. Passenger revenue drops to the floor. Meanwhile you have just opened this type rating centre to train your own pilots in. This training centre has high fixed costs and it'd be a shame to let it stand idly by, pandemic or no pandemic.

What would you do? Keep its doors closed and admit there's a pandemic and 0 requirement for years to come, or open the doors and invite everyone in charging 30k a head? The later allows you to cover all the fixed costs with a hefty profit remaining, which can be used to offset the record low passenger revenue.

Your 30k is offsetting a fraction of the record low demand, anyone denying this is blind to the reality. This training centre is not a 'partner', it is owned by Ryanair. Why give 25k to CAE when you can earn it yourself? This rating they are giving you is costing them peanuts. What is going on here could not be clearer.

Look, I know what it's like to have your license in hand post training, desperate to fly, but this route is an illusion, it is a mirage created by Ryanair to fill their pockets with your money at a time that they cannot get any passengers to give them their money. Attached is some loose promise of a job in years to come. Guys, tread carefully, for your own sake, because as was pointed out, by the time Ryanair do actually need you there will be other opportunities open with not such an insulting contract.

I do genuinely wish you all luck, though I say again, tread carefully.
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Old 6th Feb 2021, 14:55
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Why is anyone bothered how other people spend / waste their money ?

Let them throw £30k at RYR if they want to.

They might get a job, they might not. Who cares itís not your money
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Old 6th Feb 2021, 15:27
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Most of the time it’s not their money either.

Bet a load of people who went to L3 wish they had someone to talk them out of going and getting shafted.
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Old 6th Feb 2021, 15:32
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L3 was / is highly over priced but at least you were almost guaranteed a job so those people can be forgiven for not anticipating a global pandemic.

However people considering paying £30k to RYR right now clearly are too blinded to be talked out of it so let them get on with it.

You can lead a horse to water but you can’t make it drink.
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Old 6th Feb 2021, 17:49
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Originally Posted by Captain-Random View Post
Why is anyone bothered how other people spend / waste their money ?

Let them throw £30k at RYR if they want to.

They might get a job, they might not. Who cares itís not your money
Because it affects the entire industry...
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Old 7th Feb 2021, 09:30
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Surely you don’t expect someone (clearly with a mental deficiency) ready to pay £30k to listen to some random advice on the internet?

I find the most entertaining voices are found on the “European Airline Pilots” Facebook group... specifically the salty wide body pilots moaning about T&C’s.

You check their Facebook profile or LinkedIn profile and find they started out life at Ryanair or even Lion air 10+ years ago and now have the audacity to moan about pay to fly
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Old 7th Feb 2021, 13:46
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Just a few thoughts, to contradict whats been said, I don't work for Ryanair btw, just a long suffering student pilot wondering what to do in this mess.

If Ryanairs intent was to fleece cadets with 30k type ratings with no hope of a job, wouldn't they have been doing that all 2020?

Ryanair suffered significantly in 2017 with a pilot crisis, if they scam a whole class isn't that going to get out on the grapevine & kill the programme (easyjet MPL with L3 anyone).

If the ratings were such a lucrative cash-cow, why don't any other airlines do this.

OíLeary has been moaning in the media, justifiably, about this whole mess, and doesn't know, with the EUís pathetic vaccine rollout when or if he is going to be flying this summer, he cannot make guarantees as he doesnít know whats going to happen in 6 months (thank god for brexit, my old folks are vaccinated now, thats worth more than any short term job pains for me).

Arent type rating costs usually met by the student anyway, flybe, easyjet, Ryanairs 10k euro offer was unusual, not the norm, sadly 2019 is gone, I wish it wasn't the case.

I am not going to be applying for another 10months yet, got hours building and CPL etc to do so will follow what happens to these cadets closely before making any commitments, its all anyone can do till this mess is over

Best of luck all
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Old 7th Feb 2021, 13:58
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Side note, with EasyJet having always preferred their own MPL cadets, and subsequently having nuked that scheme, if EasyJet need any cadets in the next couple years they will have no choice but to hire Modular, could they become a viable career route for modular students?
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Old 7th Feb 2021, 14:21
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easyJet has always hired a mix of cadets, type rated FOs and not rated FOs. There are a few “stranded” cadets, so I would hope they get priority, but if they need more, and in a rush, you can’t exclude anything...
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Old 7th Feb 2021, 14:24
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The only time they took modular was through CTC if people did this grossly overpriced MCC/JOC they called an ‘AQC’.

Easyjet are as bad as Ryr IMO they just cover themselves by having the candidate go through grossly overpriced integrated schemes.

The irony of it all is that their last cadet of the year was a modular student, go figure.


Re: the bad publicity for Ryr, I don’t think Ryanair care as there is no shortage of morons available who will throw their money at them.

50 people cut from Buzz last year who just finished their TR course and they’ll continue to get people lining up.
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Old 7th Feb 2021, 14:36
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just to keep to the facts Flybe didn`t charge for type ratings but had a 5 year £18k bond which reduced after the first year. Loganair had similar for 3 years and I believe Jet2 also did. Paying for ratings upfront as opposed to salary deductions (TUI) or bonds is/was not the norm once you exclude Ryanair and EasyJet. If people want to screw the industry by continually paying for ratings then who are we to stop them...
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Old 7th Feb 2021, 14:48
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As we very well know now the future is very unpredictable.

Ryanair are running this programme in anticipation for the recovery of aviation over the next few years.

There are no guarantees with any job and any Airline as weíve seen, you could be taken on as an employee and be made redundant in an instant when the demand drops

There seem to be a lot of people on here who are just assuming that aviation/tourism will remain the same as it is now for years to come, but it will have to recover at some point. A recent IATA publication predicted this year will still be turbulent, and there will be big losses but not as bad as last year, with pre pandemic levels returning in 2024 (an increase in demand year on year).

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Old 7th Feb 2021, 15:09
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Jet2 are bonded for a few years but you have to do a years apprenticeship, no flying, you are an office guy & do a few months as Cabin Crew, for effectively minimum wage in the hope they then might give you the type rating, point actually, March 2020 the Jet2 apprentices who had completed their year non flying, does anyone know what happened to them?
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Old 7th Feb 2021, 15:29
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PinguGoesFlying in order to answer your questions you will need to dig deeper in industry knowledge study.

Why didn’t they do it in 2020? They legally couldn’t, if you can recall, their training centres were in the U.K., Italy and Amsterdam (CAE). These countries completely shut down for the first three months of the pandemic until a solution for social distancing was prepared. After that, full rating training simply wasn’t possible and there was a backlog of recurrent training growing. There was no capacity, but if there were, MOL wouldn’t want this to stop as he couldn’t care less for Covid measures. Check today’s news on RYR Dublin HQ covid cases, turns out HSE took over as their offices is a hotspot and some staff were told to withhold info from health services, if they testes positive they had to deny they were in contact with others as HSE could shut down the place. That’s their ethos, zero care.

The issue of pilot recency still a problem for all airlines. There is no room to keep people current, never mind the rest. This is basic stuff...

The 2017 problems were a byproduct of their own arrogance.

Why won’t others copy? Why would you want that? It goes down to Union power protecting pilots rights, something Ryanair despises.

Who do you think lobbied for that 5€ K (then 10€K) bond contract and terms for cadets? The improvement of permanent contracts all around were results of union work, everything is now lost.

BA wouldn’t adopt the Ryanair way because over 90% of their pilot workforce is Unionised, their last strike grounded the airline and cost them a fortune. When you make it, you will understand why professional pilots are so avert to this idea, it’s because we worked hard to get there and work hard to remain, we want to secure our families future.

The full type rating cost liability issue crossovers to a philosophical debate with your business model, would you want to run your training department for profit and how does that reflect on your brand.

I agree with the premise that EZY is just as bad, their flexicrew contract with CTC was technically the same scheme wrapped in a posh gloss to make those cadets feel they were more special than Ryanair ones.

I certainly hope that there are better deals out there when you’re ready to apply.
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Old 7th Feb 2021, 15:38
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I agree, and it sickens me the damage this Virus is doing, BA had that strike September 2019, the benefits negotiated lasted less than six months.

Not a lot really any of us can do but sit & wait.

Best of luck all
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Old 7th Feb 2021, 16:45
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With reasonings like this I'm not surprised that this industry is as rotten as it is.
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Old 8th Feb 2021, 08:50
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If anyone is still interested in taking part in the assessment: There is a five days mandatory quarantine in place in Ireland from 04th of February onwards. Taking part in the assessment is not an exception from quarantine requirements according to Irish government information. Quarantine will last for at least 5 days until you are able to test yourself free.

Keep that in mind so that you don't land yourself in hot water.
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Old 8th Feb 2021, 15:43
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I might starting selling First Officer titles similar to the Lord titles that you can now buy.

"Our Titles come complete with two bar epaulettes, a replica IAA flight crew licence, a replica ryr pilot uniform, a bedside photo of Mr O Leary, a Ryr tissue pack, Ryr bed sheets, FO ryr luggage tags and a once in a lifetime visit to a ryr flight deck to have your FO photo taken in the rhs - the perfect insta moment. Our titles are currently 80% off for a limited time only and once purchased you are entitled to tell all your mates you are a real life Airline Pilot."
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Old 8th Feb 2021, 16:15
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Does this offer come with a model plane 🤣
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