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L3 was / is highly over priced but at least you were almost guaranteed a job so those people can be forgiven for not anticipating a global pandemic.
However people considering paying £30k to RYR right now clearly are too blinded to be talked out of it so let them get on with it.
You can lead a horse to water but you can’t make it drink.
However people considering paying £30k to RYR right now clearly are too blinded to be talked out of it so let them get on with it.
You can lead a horse to water but you can’t make it drink.
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Surely you don’t expect someone (clearly with a mental deficiency) ready to pay £30k to listen to some random advice on the internet?
I find the most entertaining voices are found on the “European Airline Pilots” Facebook group... specifically the salty wide body pilots moaning about T&C’s.
You check their Facebook profile or LinkedIn profile and find they started out life at Ryanair or even Lion air 10+ years ago and now have the audacity to moan about pay to fly
I find the most entertaining voices are found on the “European Airline Pilots” Facebook group... specifically the salty wide body pilots moaning about T&C’s.
You check their Facebook profile or LinkedIn profile and find they started out life at Ryanair or even Lion air 10+ years ago and now have the audacity to moan about pay to fly
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Just a few thoughts, to contradict whats been said, I don't work for Ryanair btw, just a long suffering student pilot wondering what to do in this mess.
If Ryanairs intent was to fleece cadets with 30k type ratings with no hope of a job, wouldn't they have been doing that all 2020?
Ryanair suffered significantly in 2017 with a pilot crisis, if they scam a whole class isn't that going to get out on the grapevine & kill the programme (easyjet MPL with L3 anyone).
If the ratings were such a lucrative cash-cow, why don't any other airlines do this.
O’Leary has been moaning in the media, justifiably, about this whole mess, and doesn't know, with the EU’s pathetic vaccine rollout when or if he is going to be flying this summer, he cannot make guarantees as he doesn’t know whats going to happen in 6 months (thank god for brexit, my old folks are vaccinated now, thats worth more than any short term job pains for me).
Arent type rating costs usually met by the student anyway, flybe, easyjet, Ryanairs 10k euro offer was unusual, not the norm, sadly 2019 is gone, I wish it wasn't the case.
I am not going to be applying for another 10months yet, got hours building and CPL etc to do so will follow what happens to these cadets closely before making any commitments, its all anyone can do till this mess is over
Best of luck all
If Ryanairs intent was to fleece cadets with 30k type ratings with no hope of a job, wouldn't they have been doing that all 2020?
Ryanair suffered significantly in 2017 with a pilot crisis, if they scam a whole class isn't that going to get out on the grapevine & kill the programme (easyjet MPL with L3 anyone).
If the ratings were such a lucrative cash-cow, why don't any other airlines do this.
O’Leary has been moaning in the media, justifiably, about this whole mess, and doesn't know, with the EU’s pathetic vaccine rollout when or if he is going to be flying this summer, he cannot make guarantees as he doesn’t know whats going to happen in 6 months (thank god for brexit, my old folks are vaccinated now, thats worth more than any short term job pains for me).
Arent type rating costs usually met by the student anyway, flybe, easyjet, Ryanairs 10k euro offer was unusual, not the norm, sadly 2019 is gone, I wish it wasn't the case.
I am not going to be applying for another 10months yet, got hours building and CPL etc to do so will follow what happens to these cadets closely before making any commitments, its all anyone can do till this mess is over
Best of luck all
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Side note, with EasyJet having always preferred their own MPL cadets, and subsequently having nuked that scheme, if EasyJet need any cadets in the next couple years they will have no choice but to hire Modular, could they become a viable career route for modular students?
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easyJet has always hired a mix of cadets, type rated FOs and not rated FOs. There are a few “stranded” cadets, so I would hope they get priority, but if they need more, and in a rush, you can’t exclude anything...
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The only time they took modular was through CTC if people did this grossly overpriced MCC/JOC they called an ‘AQC’.
Easyjet are as bad as Ryr IMO they just cover themselves by having the candidate go through grossly overpriced integrated schemes.
The irony of it all is that their last cadet of the year was a modular student, go figure.
Re: the bad publicity for Ryr, I don’t think Ryanair care as there is no shortage of morons available who will throw their money at them.
50 people cut from Buzz last year who just finished their TR course and they’ll continue to get people lining up.
Easyjet are as bad as Ryr IMO they just cover themselves by having the candidate go through grossly overpriced integrated schemes.
The irony of it all is that their last cadet of the year was a modular student, go figure.
Re: the bad publicity for Ryr, I don’t think Ryanair care as there is no shortage of morons available who will throw their money at them.
50 people cut from Buzz last year who just finished their TR course and they’ll continue to get people lining up.
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just to keep to the facts Flybe didn`t charge for type ratings but had a 5 year £18k bond which reduced after the first year. Loganair had similar for 3 years and I believe Jet2 also did. Paying for ratings upfront as opposed to salary deductions (TUI) or bonds is/was not the norm once you exclude Ryanair and EasyJet. If people want to screw the industry by continually paying for ratings then who are we to stop them...
just to keep to the facts Flybe didn`t charge for type ratings but had a 5 year £18k bond which reduced after the first year. Loganair had similar for 3 years and I believe Jet2 also did. Paying for ratings upfront as opposed to salary deductions (TUI) or bonds is/was not the norm once you exclude Ryanair and EasyJet. If people want to screw the industry by continually paying for ratings then who are we to stop them...
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As we very well know now the future is very unpredictable.
Ryanair are running this programme in anticipation for the recovery of aviation over the next few years.
There are no guarantees with any job and any Airline as we’ve seen, you could be taken on as an employee and be made redundant in an instant when the demand drops
There seem to be a lot of people on here who are just assuming that aviation/tourism will remain the same as it is now for years to come, but it will have to recover at some point. A recent IATA publication predicted this year will still be turbulent, and there will be big losses but not as bad as last year, with pre pandemic levels returning in 2024 (an increase in demand year on year).
Ryanair are running this programme in anticipation for the recovery of aviation over the next few years.
There are no guarantees with any job and any Airline as we’ve seen, you could be taken on as an employee and be made redundant in an instant when the demand drops
There seem to be a lot of people on here who are just assuming that aviation/tourism will remain the same as it is now for years to come, but it will have to recover at some point. A recent IATA publication predicted this year will still be turbulent, and there will be big losses but not as bad as last year, with pre pandemic levels returning in 2024 (an increase in demand year on year).
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Jet2 are bonded for a few years but you have to do a years apprenticeship, no flying, you are an office guy & do a few months as Cabin Crew, for effectively minimum wage in the hope they then might give you the type rating, point actually, March 2020 the Jet2 apprentices who had completed their year non flying, does anyone know what happened to them?
PinguGoesFlying in order to answer your questions you will need to dig deeper in industry knowledge study.
Why didn’t they do it in 2020? They legally couldn’t, if you can recall, their training centres were in the U.K., Italy and Amsterdam (CAE). These countries completely shut down for the first three months of the pandemic until a solution for social distancing was prepared. After that, full rating training simply wasn’t possible and there was a backlog of recurrent training growing. There was no capacity, but if there were, MOL wouldn’t want this to stop as he couldn’t care less for Covid measures. Check today’s news on RYR Dublin HQ covid cases, turns out HSE took over as their offices is a hotspot and some staff were told to withhold info from health services, if they testes positive they had to deny they were in contact with others as HSE could shut down the place. That’s their ethos, zero care.
The issue of pilot recency still a problem for all airlines. There is no room to keep people current, never mind the rest. This is basic stuff...
The 2017 problems were a byproduct of their own arrogance.
Why won’t others copy? Why would you want that? It goes down to Union power protecting pilots rights, something Ryanair despises.
Who do you think lobbied for that 5€ K (then 10€K) bond contract and terms for cadets? The improvement of permanent contracts all around were results of union work, everything is now lost.
BA wouldn’t adopt the Ryanair way because over 90% of their pilot workforce is Unionised, their last strike grounded the airline and cost them a fortune. When you make it, you will understand why professional pilots are so avert to this idea, it’s because we worked hard to get there and work hard to remain, we want to secure our families future.
The full type rating cost liability issue crossovers to a philosophical debate with your business model, would you want to run your training department for profit and how does that reflect on your brand.
I agree with the premise that EZY is just as bad, their flexicrew contract with CTC was technically the same scheme wrapped in a posh gloss to make those cadets feel they were more special than Ryanair ones.
I certainly hope that there are better deals out there when you’re ready to apply.
Why didn’t they do it in 2020? They legally couldn’t, if you can recall, their training centres were in the U.K., Italy and Amsterdam (CAE). These countries completely shut down for the first three months of the pandemic until a solution for social distancing was prepared. After that, full rating training simply wasn’t possible and there was a backlog of recurrent training growing. There was no capacity, but if there were, MOL wouldn’t want this to stop as he couldn’t care less for Covid measures. Check today’s news on RYR Dublin HQ covid cases, turns out HSE took over as their offices is a hotspot and some staff were told to withhold info from health services, if they testes positive they had to deny they were in contact with others as HSE could shut down the place. That’s their ethos, zero care.
The issue of pilot recency still a problem for all airlines. There is no room to keep people current, never mind the rest. This is basic stuff...
The 2017 problems were a byproduct of their own arrogance.
Why won’t others copy? Why would you want that? It goes down to Union power protecting pilots rights, something Ryanair despises.
Who do you think lobbied for that 5€ K (then 10€K) bond contract and terms for cadets? The improvement of permanent contracts all around were results of union work, everything is now lost.
BA wouldn’t adopt the Ryanair way because over 90% of their pilot workforce is Unionised, their last strike grounded the airline and cost them a fortune. When you make it, you will understand why professional pilots are so avert to this idea, it’s because we worked hard to get there and work hard to remain, we want to secure our families future.
The full type rating cost liability issue crossovers to a philosophical debate with your business model, would you want to run your training department for profit and how does that reflect on your brand.
I agree with the premise that EZY is just as bad, their flexicrew contract with CTC was technically the same scheme wrapped in a posh gloss to make those cadets feel they were more special than Ryanair ones.
I certainly hope that there are better deals out there when you’re ready to apply.
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I agree, and it sickens me the damage this Virus is doing, BA had that strike September 2019, the benefits negotiated lasted less than six months.
Not a lot really any of us can do but sit & wait.
Best of luck all
Not a lot really any of us can do but sit & wait.
Best of luck all
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If anyone is still interested in taking part in the assessment: There is a five days mandatory quarantine in place in Ireland from 04th of February onwards. Taking part in the assessment is not an exception from quarantine requirements according to Irish government information. Quarantine will last for at least 5 days until you are able to test yourself free.
Keep that in mind so that you don't land yourself in hot water.
Keep that in mind so that you don't land yourself in hot water.
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I might starting selling First Officer titles similar to the Lord titles that you can now buy.
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Dashcam, I do not even know where to begin with your post, it is deeply disturbing is all I can say. You must live in a very "happy" world and I want to be taking whatever you are.
Ryanair are hiring now for the recovery in 2025 and beyond? They currently have a surplus of thousands of pilots. Do you suppose the conversation at RYR HQ was along the lines of "we have X,000 surplus pilots, however we must start training new ones for the growth in 2025 and beyond". Really? Do you know what the lead time is to train a cadet from TR to LT? Genuine question - please answer
Also, are you aware how many pilots were accepted onto the programme in Q3/Q4 of 2019 that are still waiting to start the course? Are you aware of how many pilots, from 2019, 2020 and 2021 as we speak, right now, are graduating in AFTA and Bartolini to join the Ryanair TR programme?
You think after that extremely long list of names, plus the fact they already have a major surplus, there is a mysterious yet urgent requirement to train you and others right away ... "to be ready"???
You're right, no guarantees anywhere. However you fail to mention that not a single reputable employer places the responsibility entirely on the cadet. For example. My type rating was airline funded, in the event I failed it I walked away. In the event I passed, I was guaranteed employment with the company. That is how it should be.
People on here are "assuming" nothing. People here that are warning you are current airline pilots. We are having the conversations with our companies, we are speaking with our unions, we are lobbying the government as much as we can, we are receiving regular informed briefings. We have a bloody good idea of what we are talking about when we tell you this programme is a con for the gullible.
This is painful to read. You literally have it backwards. You are going to pay 30k for a type rating to join an already horrifically long queue of people waiting to join an extremely overstaffed company ... all in the name of getting ahead somehow. Sir, allow me to tell you a more likely scenario.You spend 30k, after 3 months you forget everything and build lots of rust, after 9 months you will need to renew your LPC (who will pay for your recurrent training and LPC for the next years? - be sure to ask). Each time you will do an LPC, you will go another 12 months and forget everything. It is a horrible cycle.
Doing TR now then doing BT/LT in 2022 (presuming a miracle) would be a training disaster. Anyone who has done a TR would testify to this. You will need a new TR by next year.
In the meantime, a reputable employer may open up with a fully funded TR course and you will feel sick as a pig with your 30K piece of paper behind a line longer than the wall of china.
Lastly, good luck living in Dublin or any big city on 1,000EU - You will need it !!
Wanna know what's really happening? RYR are using you for cash and because their big shiny centre just opened, they can't leave it idle. They are also trying to have the maximum number of pilots possible on their books, that way they can pay you 500EU a month and you will be forced to accept it. They are using this to make sure they never have a strike again and can do whatever they want with their pilots, not happy? You are not needed
Ryanair are running this programme in anticipation for the recovery of aviation over the next few years.
Also, are you aware how many pilots were accepted onto the programme in Q3/Q4 of 2019 that are still waiting to start the course? Are you aware of how many pilots, from 2019, 2020 and 2021 as we speak, right now, are graduating in AFTA and Bartolini to join the Ryanair TR programme?
You think after that extremely long list of names, plus the fact they already have a major surplus, there is a mysterious yet urgent requirement to train you and others right away ... "to be ready"???
You're right, no guarantees anywhere. However you fail to mention that not a single reputable employer places the responsibility entirely on the cadet. For example. My type rating was airline funded, in the event I failed it I walked away. In the event I passed, I was guaranteed employment with the company. That is how it should be.
People on here are "assuming" nothing. People here that are warning you are current airline pilots. We are having the conversations with our companies, we are speaking with our unions, we are lobbying the government as much as we can, we are receiving regular informed briefings. We have a bloody good idea of what we are talking about when we tell you this programme is a con for the gullible.
Starting a cadet course now means you would be ready to go as soon as demand picks up, rather than being at the bottom of the pile in the huge pool of pilots out there when recruitment does pick up.
Doing TR now then doing BT/LT in 2022 (presuming a miracle) would be a training disaster. Anyone who has done a TR would testify to this. You will need a new TR by next year.
In the meantime, a reputable employer may open up with a fully funded TR course and you will feel sick as a pig with your 30K piece of paper behind a line longer than the wall of china.
Lastly, good luck living in Dublin or any big city on 1,000EU - You will need it !!
Wanna know what's really happening? RYR are using you for cash and because their big shiny centre just opened, they can't leave it idle. They are also trying to have the maximum number of pilots possible on their books, that way they can pay you 500EU a month and you will be forced to accept it. They are using this to make sure they never have a strike again and can do whatever they want with their pilots, not happy? You are not needed
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I agree with a lot of what you are saying, and I am fully aware of the what is happening in the industry, I myself was made redundant from my previous airline last year due to the crisis.
I am just trying to add a slightly positive/optimistic spin on what seems to be all doom and gloom at the moment.
There is no realistic outlook, as the industry has never faced such a crisis before so none of us know how long it will take to recover, it could be 1 or 2 years, it could be 10 years who knows.
Of course this programme is a massive gamble, but only time will tell if it’s a gamble that pays off.
I am just trying to add a slightly positive/optimistic spin on what seems to be all doom and gloom at the moment.
There is no realistic outlook, as the industry has never faced such a crisis before so none of us know how long it will take to recover, it could be 1 or 2 years, it could be 10 years who knows.
Of course this programme is a massive gamble, but only time will tell if it’s a gamble that pays off.
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Hi guys,
Have all of you who filled the AFA form got some reply? I filled mine on the 14th of December as "willing" to pay the 30K but it's been quiet ever since.. I'm not a fan of the package they are offering but I thought that I would go through the assessments just to get some experience and see in detail what they are / are not offering.
Have all of you who filled the AFA form got some reply? I filled mine on the 14th of December as "willing" to pay the 30K but it's been quiet ever since.. I'm not a fan of the package they are offering but I thought that I would go through the assessments just to get some experience and see in detail what they are / are not offering.