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Even in the USA, virtually nobody will be hiring in 2021. Usa pax traffic while low, is still much better than EU.
Also, most usa airlines sent people home from training so they will need to be bought back first, then people with offer letters then street hiring will resume. I assume EU will be similar.
The EU is in a much worse state so anyone selling you the idea that Europe airlines will hire this year is delusional.
Also, most usa airlines sent people home from training so they will need to be bought back first, then people with offer letters then street hiring will resume. I assume EU will be similar.
The EU is in a much worse state so anyone selling you the idea that Europe airlines will hire this year is delusional.
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Seemingly many people put an equal sign between hiring and recruitment - while those are two fundamentally different things. The fact that someone gets hired (i.e. signs a labour contract or service agreement with a company and starts working for it) doesn't mean that there's any recruitment going on. Recruitment is about looking for external candidates for a vacancy which cannot be filled internally. And the internal candidate list is bloody long these days - people recruited pre-COVID who passed their training but were not immediately hired, people who have been laid off or sent on a long-term unpaid leave, people who are known to the employer and often have a previous working history with the company... Once all of those have been hired, we can speak of recruitment of external candidates. And, as it has been rightly mentioned in the advert, that's not happening this year.
What are the implications of this on the advertised scheme? That you'll probably have to pay for the course quite soon, but you'll only start earning and getting a return on your investment in Q1 or Q2 2022, if nothing goes badly wrong by then. As long as you're prepared for this and you have a realistic scenario for how to keep afloat for this year, then go for it. Also, if you need a loan for the type rating, you'd better be conservative about your earning potential when calculating how much you can afford to repay every month. The end figure is quite nice if you always do 80 hours per month, but what if you do half or quarter of that due to another round of travel restrictions? This needs to be taken into account as well and plans need to be made accordingly.
So, as long as you've considered the aforementioned - you're good to go. The only way to stay out of trouble is to consider any possible less-than-optimistic outcomes and be prepared for those.
What are the implications of this on the advertised scheme? That you'll probably have to pay for the course quite soon, but you'll only start earning and getting a return on your investment in Q1 or Q2 2022, if nothing goes badly wrong by then. As long as you're prepared for this and you have a realistic scenario for how to keep afloat for this year, then go for it. Also, if you need a loan for the type rating, you'd better be conservative about your earning potential when calculating how much you can afford to repay every month. The end figure is quite nice if you always do 80 hours per month, but what if you do half or quarter of that due to another round of travel restrictions? This needs to be taken into account as well and plans need to be made accordingly.
So, as long as you've considered the aforementioned - you're good to go. The only way to stay out of trouble is to consider any possible less-than-optimistic outcomes and be prepared for those.
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Good advice. It's certainly quite the risk with all things considered. Will we realistically be back to normal schedules by 2022? Who knows.
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Sorry for the long reply, been trying to prepare for this assessment, 15% of the time revising, and 75% of it trying to book
covid tests to ensure im 72 hours within departure of both flights! I submitted on the 14th Dec, two more after Christmas and one after 31st to ensure they got it. By now im surprised they haven't told me to , but I called up IAA HQ to ask if I can find out what's going on and she's politely told me she's got nothing to do with it, can't help me and I need to wait 
What worries me is I haven't been sent anything to sign, or in fact PAY! We all know the CAA are pretty quick with invoices.
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Again sorry for the late reply, please read above my poor excuse of faffing around with pointless yet required tasks to get to Dublin, which has taken up my precious time I could otherwise have spent watching paint dry hoping one day I may be a real pilot with some money. Like everyone says, I think at the moment its a battle of who's got the bigger John Thomas to swing between EASA and the CAA. I am hopeful that one day it should be that we can once again transfer, but I have a feel it'll be a while, and quiet a costly process, the CAA have lost a lot of money so I guess they will do what they can to get it back. If I am honest, I was, and still am more stressed about licensing than the bloody assessment... I shall of course endeavour to provide as much feedback as I can. I did hear by word of mouth that the assessment that was held recently involved exactly what's been written above. I've tried to gather it all in a document, which I shall spruce up a bit then post to gather it all in once place. Watch the space Tuesday evening for some feedback, if I am not drained!
Sorry for the long reply, been trying to prepare for this assessment, 15% of the time revising, and 75% of it trying to book
covid tests to ensure im 72 hours within departure of both flights! I submitted on the 14th Dec, two more after Christmas and one after 31st to ensure they got it. By now im surprised they haven't told me to , but I called up IAA HQ to ask if I can find out what's going on and she's politely told me she's got nothing to do with it, can't help me and I need to wait What worries me is I haven't been sent anything to sign, or in fact PAY! We all know the CAA are pretty quick with invoices.keenanj01:
Again sorry for the late reply, please read above my poor excuse of faffing around with pointless yet required tasks to get to Dublin, which has taken up my precious time I could otherwise have spent watching paint dry hoping one day I may be a real pilot with some money. Like everyone says, I think at the moment its a battle of who's got the bigger John Thomas to swing between EASA and the CAA. I am hopeful that one day it should be that we can once again transfer, but I have a feel it'll be a while, and quiet a costly process, the CAA have lost a lot of money so I guess they will do what they can to get it back. If I am honest, I was, and still am more stressed about licensing than the bloody assessment... I shall of course endeavour to provide as much feedback as I can. I did hear by word of mouth that the assessment that was held recently involved exactly what's been written above. I've tried to gather it all in a document, which I shall spruce up a bit then post to gather it all in once place. Watch the space Tuesday evening for some feedback, if I am not drained!
Have you all read the newspapers lately? Summer in the U.K. and the EU could be potentially ruined, and it’s only January....
By all means, prepare for the assessment, but be very careful as to when you accept a course start date. There was never a guarantee of a job in writing, anyone who says otherwise probably never read the contract fully. Most of the time you would be offered a permanent job upon successful completion of line training, and that new junior second officer contract is heavily tilted to the airline e.g. one year probation which gets extended if you get called for a “meeting” , also there’s only one week notice from their side to let you go whilst you have to give them three months etc. In case you don’t know, it is very easy to be called for a chat as they actively look at ways to keep you under the thumb, and right now the power balance is on their side. Recruitment decisions made last month were based on the premise that governments would get the vaccination programs right, it seems they didn’t. In a fast changing situation, you MUST be prepared to stand your ground should they decide to move the goalposts.
Make no mistake that once you finished your type rating, they can choose not to start your line training until next year as we are heavily dependent on political processes right now. This is not negativity, it’s a reality check and I would say to people to grab the opportunities, even this one, but be wise with your money too.
By all means, prepare for the assessment, but be very careful as to when you accept a course start date. There was never a guarantee of a job in writing, anyone who says otherwise probably never read the contract fully. Most of the time you would be offered a permanent job upon successful completion of line training, and that new junior second officer contract is heavily tilted to the airline e.g. one year probation which gets extended if you get called for a “meeting” , also there’s only one week notice from their side to let you go whilst you have to give them three months etc. In case you don’t know, it is very easy to be called for a chat as they actively look at ways to keep you under the thumb, and right now the power balance is on their side. Recruitment decisions made last month were based on the premise that governments would get the vaccination programs right, it seems they didn’t. In a fast changing situation, you MUST be prepared to stand your ground should they decide to move the goalposts.
Make no mistake that once you finished your type rating, they can choose not to start your line training until next year as we are heavily dependent on political processes right now. This is not negativity, it’s a reality check and I would say to people to grab the opportunities, even this one, but be wise with your money too.
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I would agree with the above, and I think it would be foolish for anyone to think that if they do an assessment, they automatically walk into a job with security, but from the other side, I personally want to keep my options open, and continue to build experience. I am due to start an FI course next week, which I hope to complete before, should Ryanair accept me onto their programme, but like I said, I want to keep as many options open as possible. I haven't got 30k to waste to 'keep options open', but I think it wouldn't be wise to NOT pay 350 to attend an interview and sim where you gain more experience. It's a fine balance between both I think.
Everyone has their own opinions and viewpoints.
Everyone has their own opinions and viewpoints.
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Some very valid points made here, I personally agree with the above two comments in particular I’m also going down the FI route but I do want to keep any options open.
But since this is a thread on the sim assessment and interview, is there anybody who’s done the interview and sim recently and can provide feedback?
But since this is a thread on the sim assessment and interview, is there anybody who’s done the interview and sim recently and can provide feedback?
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All feedback from the last year or two still relevant regarding assessments.
Also type rating starts are from March this year confirmed by a cadet who passed recently.
£30k to start a type rating this year with a view to MAYBE start in 2022? That is absolute insanity, no other way to put it.
Also type rating starts are from March this year confirmed by a cadet who passed recently.
£30k to start a type rating this year with a view to MAYBE start in 2022? That is absolute insanity, no other way to put it.
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Honestly you have to consider the risks you take by accepting a TR course in March. Some contractors at Buzz are not payed because they don't fly, other pilots are on unpaid leave this winter, and they fly no more than a few sectors a month otherwise. Ask yourselves the question : Do you really expect them to need more pilots in May ? Things have changed since 2019 when they last hired : you are now applying for a training course and not for a job, be aware of that. It will benefit the airline and the airline only : they need some cash right now, they have training facilities, why not sell Type Ratings to some people ? If they finally need some pilots in a year or two, they might call you (or call the latest guys who have finished the TR and just forget about you), otherwise you'll just go away with your brand new TR trying to find an other job. That's all. They will not guarantee any job.
Let's pretend recruitments are actually on the way up (they are not, let's just pretend for a few seconds), then it's only the beginning for Ryanair to hire and there is no rush. Just wait a few months and see how's the summer going. There is no job at the moment because no one is travelling and fleets are grounded. It's the hard truth but you have to live with that. If someone is hiring, then there's something not clear going on.
Let's pretend recruitments are actually on the way up (they are not, let's just pretend for a few seconds), then it's only the beginning for Ryanair to hire and there is no rush. Just wait a few months and see how's the summer going. There is no job at the moment because no one is travelling and fleets are grounded. It's the hard truth but you have to live with that. If someone is hiring, then there's something not clear going on.
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If you get a call for TR course the chances you are getting hired are 99% unless you screw up your type rating by bad performance or something else, I never heard of somebody who did the TR and didnt get hired, but its common that people tell those bad fairy tale. Everybody here is grown up, a pilot and hopefully can do a profound research and choice. In the current situation you can call yourself lucky to be flying, even if the conditions are bad. I was in Ryanair and joined airbaltic last year and lost the job due to the lockdown. I changed my airline at the worst possible time. But who knows that, everybody is making assumptions that this and that could happen. Just wait and see.
For starters Ryanair is a very good school, you learn so much, the training department is top notch and depending on the base you have alot of destinations. And the conditions are well lets simply put questionable, depending on which employment you get. Ryanair contracts are generally good but contractors are horrible, but in corona times what choices do you get. If you get the opportunity, take the chance and learn from it.
For starters Ryanair is a very good school, you learn so much, the training department is top notch and depending on the base you have alot of destinations. And the conditions are well lets simply put questionable, depending on which employment you get. Ryanair contracts are generally good but contractors are horrible, but in corona times what choices do you get. If you get the opportunity, take the chance and learn from it.
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Your statement is based on pre-covid times, do you think it will be the same post-covid?
I think a lot of trends, habits, behaviours etc will be skewed by covid and take some time to correct themselves. It is impossible to say how the industry will fair in the coming years (could be good, could be bad) but using examples from pre-covid might not fit in with the new landscape.
I think a lot of trends, habits, behaviours etc will be skewed by covid and take some time to correct themselves. It is impossible to say how the industry will fair in the coming years (could be good, could be bad) but using examples from pre-covid might not fit in with the new landscape.
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Okay, then you can maybe ask one of the 60+ Lauda Cadets who were hired by the group in december 2019, finished the TR in March and were never called back to fly since then and have no more contract since April. But yeah : you're right, that's a fairy tale man, thanks ! Pre-covid times are gone and I don't get how you can not understand this, the reason is simple : there are no flights ! Anyone who can guarantee the opposite is wrong. Period
Okay, then you can maybe ask one of the 60+ Lauda Cadets who were hired by the group in december 2019, finished the TR in March and were never called back to fly since then and have no more contract since April. But yeah : you're right, that's a fairy tale man, thanks ! Pre-covid times are gone and I don't get how you can not understand this, the reason is simple : there are no flights ! Anyone who can guarantee the opposite is wrong. Period
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Well if we would talk about any other airline I guess I would agree.
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Sorry this discussion is about Ryanair and not Lauda. Lauda is whole diffrent story, you cannot compare Lauda with RYR. Its still unknow if they phase out all of the A320 and replace them with the 737. Nothing is certain about Lauda.
Well if we would talk about any other airline I guess I would agree.
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Sorry this discussion is about Ryanair and not Lauda. Lauda is whole diffrent story, you cannot compare Lauda with RYR. Its still unknow if they phase out all of the A320 and replace them with the 737. Nothing is certain about Lauda.
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You obviously never seen a contract from a decent airline to make that judgement, as I said before, it’s a contract to get you through the next job, nothing else. Besides that, It’s a terrible contract!
Also, be honest with the kids here my friend. You don’t get “99% hired” after the type rating. Your post type rating contract is a cadet training contract with CAE(new provider now?), that is for your line training. You are a provider of services and you’re not hired until you finish line training.
Once you successfully completed it, then you go into a junior second officer with a one year probation with a basic of circa 21-23K euros + allowances. That’s when you’re hired, never before and until then, it’s a “no sir/yes sir” attitude from your part at all times.
Every step of the way there are obstacles to keep you under their thumb, you should be able to take the crap from management and the fellas next to you, shut up and be grateful, that’s the reality.
Once you go to a proper airline, you realise that having loss of license insurance, life assurance, holiday pay, decent training, respectful crew to fly with that treat you like an adult in a non bullying environment, better equipped aircraft, travel perks, food paid by the airline etc you realise that you were abused at Ryanair and that the salary wasn’t that high(you paid for everything on your pocket).
Be honest, it’s more helpful to them. As far as working environment it was the worse job I ever had, I got more respect working at a bar as a student than flying a jet at that joke of an outfit. However, I agree that they should look after themselves and get that opportunity, but making no mistake that it isn’t the best out there and it shouldn’t be a blue print to pilot jobs.
You obviously never seen a contract from a decent airline to make that judgement, as I said before, it’s a contract to get you through the next job, nothing else. Besides that, It’s a terrible contract!
Also, be honest with the kids here my friend. You don’t get “99% hired” after the type rating. Your post type rating contract is a cadet training contract with CAE(new provider now?), that is for your line training. You are a provider of services and you’re not hired until you finish line training.
Once you successfully completed it, then you go into a junior second officer with a one year probation with a basic of circa 21-23K euros + allowances. That’s when you’re hired, never before and until then, it’s a “no sir/yes sir” attitude from your part at all times.
Every step of the way there are obstacles to keep you under their thumb, you should be able to take the crap from management and the fellas next to you, shut up and be grateful, that’s the reality.
Once you go to a proper airline, you realise that having loss of license insurance, life assurance, holiday pay, decent training, respectful crew to fly with that treat you like an adult in a non bullying environment, better equipped aircraft, travel perks, food paid by the airline etc you realise that you were abused at Ryanair and that the salary wasn’t that high(you paid for everything on your pocket).
Be honest, it’s more helpful to them. As far as working environment it was the worse job I ever had, I got more respect working at a bar as a student than flying a jet at that joke of an outfit. However, I agree that they should look after themselves and get that opportunity, but making no mistake that it isn’t the best out there and it shouldn’t be a blue print to pilot jobs.
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I know you are totally right, I had the same expirience I got even less as contractor, and thats why I was happy that another airline took me, but on the other side all my colleague still got their job and are flying 4-6 times a month and I am now sitting on the street. I just wanted to bring back some positivity, its a good school for starters but thats it. Managment and Base Supervisor are abusive but what other chances do you have at the moment. Its still better than not flying at all, getting any expirience is good expirience. I mean its well know that Ryanair is just a stepping stone. They are suppose to get over 50 MAX's this year so I guess they will take some newbies, if they dont phase out 50NG's at the same time.
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As far as I know Lauda is 100% part of Ryanair, such as Buzz, Malta Air, same business. The interview is at RYR, same process, it is all managed by RYR, HR is RYR, ops are RYR,... just to tell you that they have absolutely no worries in not giving you a contract after the TR if there is no job. So if the trafic does not increase by A LOT next summer, there will be no position to fill and you might just be waiting until the next season or even more, they won't care.
As far as I know Lauda is 100% part of Ryanair, such as Buzz, Malta Air, same business. The interview is at RYR, same process, it is all managed by RYR, HR is RYR, ops are RYR,... just to tell you that they have absolutely no worries in not giving you a contract after the TR if there is no job. So if the trafic does not increase by A LOT next summer, there will be no position to fill and you might just be waiting until the next season or even more, they won't care.