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Old 12th Dec 2020, 15:18
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If you are a NTR FO you have to apply for this scheme, that's straight from one of the recruiters on LinkedIn.

No recruitment for type rated FO and CPT for the forseeen future. Given the current circumstances, they don't need any ready made 737 pilots to join them and they predict they have enough time to train enough cadets.
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Old 12th Dec 2020, 15:24
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Thanks Banana J Yeah but have you seen the Direct Entry talent pool on the careers page, 700 hours TT and 500 hours airline flying. Im talking non type rated candidates with jet time.

I was thinking it would be slightly better to be in this pool rather than as a cadet. Either way the type would need to be done.
You heard that from a FR recruiter or someone from AFA?
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Old 12th Dec 2020, 15:41
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Yes, I know about the talent pool, I have applied but I am rated. The recent comment from the recruiter is actually a bit ambitious, but they're available to answer your questions if you ask them with a comment under their post. In the screen I posted earlier they use Flybe pilots as an example, so they probably mean turboprop pilots.

Anyhow, no direct entry recruitment for the time being.
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Old 12th Dec 2020, 16:46
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Yeah Im sure there wont be for some time indeed. I'll try comment on to the recruiters! Cheers
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Old 12th Dec 2020, 17:12
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I can speculate on the logic behind prioritising NTR applicants over direct-entry ones. First, training is an integral part of the business. Given that it's self-funded (and definitely not priced at self-worth), it's another source of revenue. Second, it's often easier to tell someone "forget everything about your previous type and learn this one from scratch" and teach them to do everything your way right from day one than it is to try and hammer any habits from their previous carriers out of their head.

If the latter doesn't sound like it makes sense, I'll tell you why, to RYR, it actually does. Back in 2015, I attended a RAeS event in London where there was a presentation about the RYR training system delivered by one of the highest-standing members of their training department. And one of his main arguments in favour of doing all the training in-house was that external instructors who had been previously contracted to teach RYR pilots had not been punctual enough with teaching things as per the RYR SOP. Quite the opposite, some of them had used the opportunity to "show better ways of doing things" to cadets and even downright insist that RYR was wrong in implementing such and such procedures and policies. Therefore, to protect standardisation, it was decided not to employ external instructors anymore.

Now probably the next step in this direction will be to try and minimise the number of new joiners who have had any exposure to 737 training conducted elsewhere.
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Old 12th Dec 2020, 17:24
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I am very very sceptical about direct entries anytime soon.

Exactly, company used to be more oriented to train their own cadets, dont forget that not so long time ago, company trained 800, 900, 1000 cadets per year ! (They built robust training department, invested lot of money which need to be earn back) And it was still not enough so they hired direct entries to compensate the growth and experienced guys leaving to legacy, middle east, China etc....Obviously this is not going to happen for next good few years
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Old 13th Dec 2020, 18:32
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Just a quick one:
If i've passed all the assessments and is offered the TR, am I then guaranteed a job in RYR after succesfull completion?
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Old 13th Dec 2020, 18:34
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How much they told you to pay? When did you had an assessment? Can you tell us little bit more? Thanks
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Old 13th Dec 2020, 18:52
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Yes, you will. The question is, how much will you be flying and earning? With 70-90 hours per month, the money is good. With 30 hours per month, not so much. Some contracts have a guaranteed number of hours, the equivalent of which is paid to you no matter whether you've completed this number of hours or not. However, the number of said hours dropped significantly since the beginning of the COVID crisis. For Buzz and the Warsaw Aviation contract, there was a screenshot of the letter with the new conditions on one of the other RYR threads, saying that guaranteed hours are now down to 12 (from 40 pre-COVID). For the rest of the AOCs, no idea.
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Old 13th Dec 2020, 23:40
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For a bunch of months this year people on the Warsaw aviation contract were not paid at all, and that after the reduction quoted by PilotLZ. Contracts with Ryanair and associate companies are not worth the paper they are written on.
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Old 14th Dec 2020, 08:41
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Shall we talk about the Easyjet MPL cadets left stranded/completely screwed? Sorry but you can't come here writing garbage. Look in your own backyard
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Old 14th Dec 2020, 09:27
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What garbage? I said nothing but the truth.
What is it, a competition? Grow up.

And those cadets had no hiring guaranteed in their training contracts. They knew what they were signing and they signed it anyway. Tough luck.
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Old 14th Dec 2020, 10:35
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I don't sell anything, but please have in mind that, pre-COVID, hardly anyone who made it into RYR complained about low flying hours resulting in low pay. Quite the opposite - the vast majority of pilots flew 700-900 hours per year, with many in the large bases routinely flying close to maximum hours. Therefore, being left with too little money because of not enough flying was not a thing - and, quite likely, it won't be whenever traffic volumes recover. Today's circumstances are exceptional and, hopefully, there won't be another pandemic resulting in such a major and prolonged drop in traffic numbers after you get employed with RYR.
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Old 14th Dec 2020, 19:24
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Originally Posted by PilotLZ View Post
Yes, you will....
Thanks PilotLZ, for the very elaborative answer.
So at least the money wont go to something, which only 'might' give you a job.
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Old 15th Dec 2020, 03:35
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Do All Pilots flying for RYR ( direct contract or Agency ...) With EASA licence Must Transfer their licence to Get an Irish EASA?
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Old 15th Dec 2020, 07:24
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Its the first thing you need to do!

Btw Ryanair advertise new type rating courses, but i think they didn't rehire pilots from Buzz who made redundant in April.
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Old 15th Dec 2020, 09:04
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PilotLZ

Other AOCs usually have
Basic
+ Allowance
+ Block Hours.
(+ Out of base, other special pays like AFAIK SFI/TRI/TRE)

Basic + Allowance being the same amount regardless of the hours you fly. All Info Pre Covid, now its not a matter of which AOC you fly for, but where you are based.

If you're flying close to the max hours, Buzz pilots earn way more than the rest, but now...also pay in mind that you're more or less self employed there (No paid annual leave, sick for a few weeks? well....)
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Old 15th Dec 2020, 10:17
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skyboy83

Why would they? There's fresh blood anxiously waiting to give them €30k 🤣
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Old 15th Dec 2020, 16:38
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skyboy83

Where ? I don't see any vacancies .
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Old 16th Dec 2020, 08:19
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Talking

Hawker 400

Fresh and not so fresh. I know a couple of NTR guys with 1000-1500 jet hrs who already applied and are happily willing to pay the 30k because it is a “stable” job

arrowcapitan

I think a normal company if they want new pilots, first rehire people made redundant few months ago and then advertise self sponsor type ratings followed by a “secure” job. But who am I to judge them? Obviously not a CEO
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