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I can speculate on the logic behind prioritising NTR applicants over direct-entry ones. First, training is an integral part of the business. Given that it's self-funded (and definitely not priced at self-worth), it's another source of revenue. Second, it's often easier to tell someone "forget everything about your previous type and learn this one from scratch" and teach them to do everything your way right from day one than it is to try and hammer any habits from their previous carriers out of their head.
If the latter doesn't sound like it makes sense, I'll tell you why, to RYR, it actually does. Back in 2015, I attended a RAeS event in London where there was a presentation about the RYR training system delivered by one of the highest-standing members of their training department. And one of his main arguments in favour of doing all the training in-house was that external instructors who had been previously contracted to teach RYR pilots had not been punctual enough with teaching things as per the RYR SOP. Quite the opposite, some of them had used the opportunity to "show better ways of doing things" to cadets and even downright insist that RYR was wrong in implementing such and such procedures and policies. Therefore, to protect standardisation, it was decided not to employ external instructors anymore.
Now probably the next step in this direction will be to try and minimise the number of new joiners who have had any exposure to 737 training conducted elsewhere.
If the latter doesn't sound like it makes sense, I'll tell you why, to RYR, it actually does. Back in 2015, I attended a RAeS event in London where there was a presentation about the RYR training system delivered by one of the highest-standing members of their training department. And one of his main arguments in favour of doing all the training in-house was that external instructors who had been previously contracted to teach RYR pilots had not been punctual enough with teaching things as per the RYR SOP. Quite the opposite, some of them had used the opportunity to "show better ways of doing things" to cadets and even downright insist that RYR was wrong in implementing such and such procedures and policies. Therefore, to protect standardisation, it was decided not to employ external instructors anymore.
Now probably the next step in this direction will be to try and minimise the number of new joiners who have had any exposure to 737 training conducted elsewhere.
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I am very very sceptical about direct entries anytime soon.
Exactly, company used to be more oriented to train their own cadets, dont forget that not so long time ago, company trained 800, 900, 1000 cadets per year ! (They built robust training department, invested lot of money which need to be earn back) And it was still not enough so they hired direct entries to compensate the growth and experienced guys leaving to legacy, middle east, China etc....Obviously this is not going to happen for next good few years
Exactly, company used to be more oriented to train their own cadets, dont forget that not so long time ago, company trained 800, 900, 1000 cadets per year ! (They built robust training department, invested lot of money which need to be earn back) And it was still not enough so they hired direct entries to compensate the growth and experienced guys leaving to legacy, middle east, China etc....Obviously this is not going to happen for next good few years
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Yes, you will. The question is, how much will you be flying and earning? With 70-90 hours per month, the money is good. With 30 hours per month, not so much. Some contracts have a guaranteed number of hours, the equivalent of which is paid to you no matter whether you've completed this number of hours or not. However, the number of said hours dropped significantly since the beginning of the COVID crisis. For Buzz and the Warsaw Aviation contract, there was a screenshot of the letter with the new conditions on one of the other RYR threads, saying that guaranteed hours are now down to 12 (from 40 pre-COVID). For the rest of the AOCs, no idea.
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For a bunch of months this year people on the Warsaw aviation contract were not paid at all, and that after the reduction quoted by PilotLZ. Contracts with Ryanair and associate companies are not worth the paper they are written on.
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What garbage? I said nothing but the truth.
What is it, a competition? Grow up.
And those cadets had no hiring guaranteed in their training contracts. They knew what they were signing and they signed it anyway. Tough luck.
What is it, a competition? Grow up.
And those cadets had no hiring guaranteed in their training contracts. They knew what they were signing and they signed it anyway. Tough luck.
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I don't sell anything, but please have in mind that, pre-COVID, hardly anyone who made it into RYR complained about low flying hours resulting in low pay. Quite the opposite - the vast majority of pilots flew 700-900 hours per year, with many in the large bases routinely flying close to maximum hours. Therefore, being left with too little money because of not enough flying was not a thing - and, quite likely, it won't be whenever traffic volumes recover. Today's circumstances are exceptional and, hopefully, there won't be another pandemic resulting in such a major and prolonged drop in traffic numbers after you get employed with RYR.
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Other AOCs usually have
Basic
+ Allowance
+ Block Hours.
(+ Out of base, other special pays like AFAIK SFI/TRI/TRE)
Basic + Allowance being the same amount regardless of the hours you fly. All Info Pre Covid, now its not a matter of which AOC you fly for, but where you are based.
If you're flying close to the max hours, Buzz pilots earn way more than the rest, but now...also pay in mind that you're more or less self employed there (No paid annual leave, sick for a few weeks? well....)
Other AOCs usually have
Basic
+ Allowance
+ Block Hours.
(+ Out of base, other special pays like AFAIK SFI/TRI/TRE)
Basic + Allowance being the same amount regardless of the hours you fly. All Info Pre Covid, now its not a matter of which AOC you fly for, but where you are based.
If you're flying close to the max hours, Buzz pilots earn way more than the rest, but now...also pay in mind that you're more or less self employed there (No paid annual leave, sick for a few weeks? well....)
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Fresh and not so fresh. I know a couple of NTR guys with 1000-1500 jet hrs who already applied and are happily willing to pay the 30k because it is a “stable” job
arrowcapitan
I think a normal company if they want new pilots, first rehire people made redundant few months ago and then advertise self sponsor type ratings followed by a “secure” job. But who am I to judge them? Obviously not a CEO
Fresh and not so fresh. I know a couple of NTR guys with 1000-1500 jet hrs who already applied and are happily willing to pay the 30k because it is a “stable” job
arrowcapitan
I think a normal company if they want new pilots, first rehire people made redundant few months ago and then advertise self sponsor type ratings followed by a “secure” job. But who am I to judge them? Obviously not a CEO
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Hi guys,
I had done my online assessment earlier this year and was then put in a holding pool for the sim assessment once Covid became a real issue worldwide.
I have just received an email asking to to confirm my intention to continue with my assessment, however the email seems to be hinting towards this now being a type rating course, rather than a chance of joining Ryanair as a cadet pilot. Anyone else in my position (i.e. not having done the sim assessment & technical interview yet) who received this email?
Any information would be appreciated as I of course want to continue with my interview process for Ryanair, but I also don't want to call the bank for a €30,000 loan which doesn't have a job offer linked with it as money is very much an issue right now!
Thanks!
I had done my online assessment earlier this year and was then put in a holding pool for the sim assessment once Covid became a real issue worldwide.
I have just received an email asking to to confirm my intention to continue with my assessment, however the email seems to be hinting towards this now being a type rating course, rather than a chance of joining Ryanair as a cadet pilot. Anyone else in my position (i.e. not having done the sim assessment & technical interview yet) who received this email?
Any information would be appreciated as I of course want to continue with my interview process for Ryanair, but I also don't want to call the bank for a €30,000 loan which doesn't have a job offer linked with it as money is very much an issue right now!
Thanks!
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With so many carriers out there deducing the cost of the type rating from one's salary over X years, RYR don't make for a unique case. It doesn't matter all that much whether you pay for the rating upfront, via a salary deduction scheme or via a bank loan with the company acting as your guarantor. In the end of the day, the money comes out of your pocket.
In the same way, there are people making parallels between RYR and P2F because you get a reduced hourly rate during line training and in the contract that's worded as "the contractor pays the company X euro per hour during training". Well, guess what? Many other companies will also not pay you full salary until you've passed your line check. Whether the wording is "you get a reduced amount" or "you pay X out of the full amount", the end result is the absolute same.
How did that happen? Over the years from the 1990s until now, RYR became too big to be ignored in any aspect. And all the other companies started asking themselves - if they can do this and this, why can't we? This, combined with the overall drive to lower costs, including by transferring as much of the training expenses to the candidate as possible, resulted in what we're seeing now. So, don't blame those who fork out the 30K now. Better ask for explanation those who did it 20 years ago.
In the same way, there are people making parallels between RYR and P2F because you get a reduced hourly rate during line training and in the contract that's worded as "the contractor pays the company X euro per hour during training". Well, guess what? Many other companies will also not pay you full salary until you've passed your line check. Whether the wording is "you get a reduced amount" or "you pay X out of the full amount", the end result is the absolute same.
How did that happen? Over the years from the 1990s until now, RYR became too big to be ignored in any aspect. And all the other companies started asking themselves - if they can do this and this, why can't we? This, combined with the overall drive to lower costs, including by transferring as much of the training expenses to the candidate as possible, resulted in what we're seeing now. So, don't blame those who fork out the 30K now. Better ask for explanation those who did it 20 years ago.
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Hi eveyone, as I believe many of you have also received the email from AFA, about the new Type-Rating in Spring 2021, as I passed the 1st online assesment they told me in the email, there's a new online assesment due to new EASA regulations and once I've done that, they will invite me to the SIM, however when I applied it was 10k back in february, now is 30K upfront, and my question is: If I pass the SIM and the interview they will offer me the Type-Rating, however, they will also hire me as a cadet from RYR? or there is no job guaranteed?
As things are really complicate now I don't want to spend 30K upfront just to stay at home with a TR and no job or anything else.
As things are really complicate now I don't want to spend 30K upfront just to stay at home with a TR and no job or anything else.