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Ryanair Interview and Sim Assessment (merged)

Old 1st Apr 2019, 16:38
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Originally Posted by Pinuz89 View Post
Anyway the departing aerodrome was the nearest, so no need for a diversion to others.

And at least a briefing to your colleague is always a good idea, in order to make a decision agreed together.
I think its best if I clarify for you, if you are going to an airport other than destination, it is a diversion. Yes you need to discuss this option with the other pilot, but it does not need a DODAR, just a simple process, for example ' We have just left Liverpool, it is Cavok, its close, we can hold etc'

If it helps, I would have dealt with it this way.
We have a passenger with a suspected heart attack, we are near our departure aerodrome, I suggest we divert there, (taking into account the weather), see if your partner agrees, if not why not.
Tell ATC and Hold at present position, or a nearby fix.
Give control to your Sim Partner.
Set up FMC, Nav Aids etc for expected approach, get fresh weather.
Brief
Inform the Cabin crew and passengers
Checklists
Approach and land.

If in doubt keep it simple, it does tend to work.


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Old 1st Apr 2019, 20:11
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Its still some time before I will be able to send my application. But I do still read the forum because I wish to know what to expect. And now since someone mentioned DODAR and NITS was not necessary I started to wonder. Because from most topics I read and what I heard from the ATPL course lecturer (FO in Ryan Air) at my school. Ryan Air is the airline where DODAR and NITS are like almost mandatory on the assessment and SOP is even more important than in other airlines + stabilized approach, from what I heard (I do not know if its true) many other airlines do not fire pilots for not being stabilized on the approach and not performing a go around then.

But maybe its not so important and thinking all the time during an assessment "can I do the DODAR + NITS is it now, now?, now?" or doing a go around at the slightest feeling of non stable approach (while it was stable) is not a good idea. But from what I heard its supposed to be almost like if you do not do DODAR + NITS when they do the interruption "emergency or sick passenger" then you fail. I hope to know much more about what is the proper approach to the assesments after doing a VA APS MCC (hopefully they know what the airlines really expect).

PS. I believe its very frustrating for people to just get the message "you failed" with not even a single sentence what to do better or what to work on. Just imagine if it was the same way on ATPL theory exams, I believe people would totally "freak out" if the exam just gave you the score and no info about what you did answer wrong. We would have 100 000s of conspiracy theories. Of course I do understand that most airlines do not have enough time to give any feedback to the candidates. If I failed an assessment I would for sure buy more time at the APS MCC provider to "redo" a similar sim exercise to understand what could be done better and then work on it. Then there is also a possibility of failing the HR part.... then its not so easy to discover what is wrong and possibly something wrong for one airline is something good for another one since HR is probably not like mathematics where the answer is correct or wrong (except from obvious HR failures but those are probably noticeable at the APS MCC training stage).
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Old 2nd Apr 2019, 09:52
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KT1988,
First of all, I have no idea what Ryanair are looking for in a new pilot.
As such I cannot comment on what you should or should not do in the Sim check.

However, just to throw a DODAR or NITS in without any thought, does not make any sense.

In the real world however...

If you have a Engine Failure, FMC Failure, IRS Failure, Decompression or some other Aircraft system fail then yes you should complete a DODAR, at the right time, when is the right time, well that's the big question. How I do it, say we have an engine seize, after the aircraft is in a safe state, Memory Items complete, QRH Engine Severe damage checklist completed and we in a holding position, then if time allows do a DODAR. Make a plan, get some information, decide on a plan of action.

Example,
Diagnosis: What happened, well we have Zero N1, Zero N2 still got EGT the aircraft pulled to the left, we have a fuel imbalance with more fuel in the left tank. I think we have had No1 engine Seize.
Options: Carry on, Divert, return to Departure Aerodrome.
Decision: Return to Departure ( in this example)
Actions: We need weather for the Departure Aerodrome, tell ATC the plan, set up the FMC/ Instruments/ Nav Aids, landing distance, autobrake setting, Fuel Balance, etc and Brief, talk to the company (if able), NITS, talk to passengers, One engine inoperative landing checklist.
Review: Is the decision correct? Is the Decision still valid, what do we still have to do.

As you can see this is not just a simple process,
Next is the NITS:

Nature: We have had an engine fail, it is under control
Intentions: We will return to Departure Airfield
Time: I expect we will make an approach at .......
Special Instructions: This will be a precautionary landing so no expectation to evacuate once we have stopped. We will be followed by the Fire Engines to stand, this is normal

The Senior should read this back to you.
Then make a PA to the Pax.

I can assure you the above example does work, I have had to use it more then once.

I suggest if you are offered a Interview at any airline with a Sim check, try to talk to others who have been offered jobs to see what they did and what they feel is expected of you.

As I said on a previous post, Keep It Simple, you will be fine.
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Old 2nd Apr 2019, 12:17
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KT1988, I'm told what Ryanair are really looking for is good ATPL results, good flight school report and a good down to earth, flexible attitude. I would not get too bogged down in technicalities, they really just use them as 'legal' reasons to fail candidates that they really don't want.

I think you need to read between the lines a little. I could nearly guarantee you that the fact Pinuz89 has been failed on the basis of a few technicalities is merely a formality. Antonio Montana has very eloquently demonstrated, on the basis of the information that Pinuz89's has provided, that Pinuz89's skills are of questionable ability and combine this with his attitude; it's a dangerous mix to say the least.

I have failed many times before, I know what its like and some times it can be very difficult to see why you failed. It's even harder when you cannot admit to yourself that maybe it's actually yourself that needs to change.
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Old 8th Apr 2019, 02:06
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So, anyone on assessment for the 25th? Message if you wanna meet day before in Dublin to study etc.
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Old 10th Apr 2019, 09:31
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Anyone on CAE 1905?
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Old 10th Apr 2019, 09:32
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Old 12th Apr 2019, 09:22
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Does anybody have any feedback for the latest interview questions of the online assessment?
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Old 12th Apr 2019, 09:32
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Originally Posted by Pal33 View Post
Does anybody have any feedback for the latest interview questions of the online assessment?
I had:

Why Ryr ?
Your strenght and your weaknesses
How would you deal with an emergency.

it was last month, some guys had to talk about the Fuel /electrical system of the previous aircraft.

Another question I heard, it was Which good qualities should a leadership have ?

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Old 13th Apr 2019, 10:07
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Hi Pinuz89,

Ryanair defintely dont need to make money from sim assessments. When you think of the cost of personnel for the day, all the paperwork that goes into it, the cost of buying and maintaining the sim at Dublin just for interviews, there isnt much profit in it and they would make far far more money selling 1 cup of coffee to every traveller on 1 day than they would on a year of interviews!

Having done the assessment your decision to do a dodar and nits for a medical emergency also sounds ok to me - its what i did in the same circumstance and i got the job. So maybe your PF duties were not the thing that let you down on the day. I agree with other comments that on the line its unlikley you would dodar in this circumstance but its what Ryanair want to see in the sim on the interview.

Your PM duties - where you have said you were giving him tips..... be careful here. Youre part of a team and its both your job to ensure safe execution of the job in hand but if those tips could be interpreted as you telling the guy how to fly that could let you down.

I would also look very closely at your answers to the HR part of the interview. All you say here is that you said what you wanted to say and that you may not have been assertive. I wouldnt say its assertiveness they are looking for here really, but they defintely want people who have really thought through how a job in an airline like Ryanair will affect their life. Does the thought of living and working abroad excite you and how would you cope with it, how does it fit in with your personal circumstances and current family life? Answers to question such as "where do you see yourself in 5 years" often get glossed over as not important when in reality, in an airline that really needs to improve its retention of experienced staff, the answers you give here can be just as important to the outcome as how well you flew the ILS. So while i am sure you probably said something like being a 737 Captain in Ryanair... what about where you would be living, being happy in life having fulfilled a dream to fly but looking for how you can continue and grow in the company in the training departments, what about seeking an opportunity to get the Learjet TR in the company etc etc.... Really think about how you flesh out these answers to sound like you have really thought about how you will build your life around the company to acheive a happy life, both professionally and personally.

Anyway, this interview didnt work out. If another one doesnt work out, next time maybe look closer to yourself than calling it a money making excersise. Ryanair still need pilots, and for what ever reason on that day 1 or more of the assessors didnt think you were the right fit for the company. So think about why that mightbe and try to adapt for the next interview.

Good luck to all the job hunters.
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Old 13th Apr 2019, 12:56
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Originally Posted by itchybumba View Post
Hi Pinuz89,

Ryanair defintely dont need to make money from sim assessments. When you think of the cost of personnel for the day, all the paperwork that goes into it, the cost of buying and maintaining the sim at Dublin just for interviews, there isnt much profit in it and they would make far far more money selling 1 cup of coffee to every traveller on 1 day than they would on a year of interviews!

Having done the assessment your decision to do a dodar and nits for a medical emergency also sounds ok to me - its what i did in the same circumstance and i got the job. So maybe your PF duties were not the thing that let you down on the day. I agree with other comments that on the line its unlikley you would dodar in this circumstance but its what Ryanair want to see in the sim on the interview.

Your PM duties - where you have said you were giving him tips..... be careful here. Youre part of a team and its both your job to ensure safe execution of the job in hand but if those tips could be interpreted as you telling the guy how to fly that could let you down.

I would also look very closely at your answers to the HR part of the interview. All you say here is that you said what you wanted to say and that you may not have been assertive. I wouldnt say its assertiveness they are looking for here really, but they defintely want people who have really thought through how a job in an airline like Ryanair will affect their life. Does the thought of living and working abroad excite you and how would you cope with it, how does it fit in with your personal circumstances and current family life? Answers to question such as "where do you see yourself in 5 years" often get glossed over as not important when in reality, in an airline that really needs to improve its retention of experienced staff, the answers you give here can be just as important to the outcome as how well you flew the ILS. So while i am sure you probably said something like being a 737 Captain in Ryanair... what about where you would be living, being happy in life having fulfilled a dream to fly but looking for how you can continue and grow in the company in the training departments, what about seeking an opportunity to get the Learjet TR in the company etc etc.... Really think about how you flesh out these answers to sound like you have really thought about how you will build your life around the company to acheive a happy life, both professionally and personally.

Anyway, this interview didnt work out. If another one doesnt work out, next time maybe look closer to yourself than calling it a money making excersise. Ryanair still need pilots, and for what ever reason on that day 1 or more of the assessors didnt think you were the right fit for the company. So think about why that mightbe and try to adapt for the next interview.

Good luck to all the job hunters.
Hello,
I like your comment, and I agree on most of your tips.

Just few clarification, we were told in the pre-assessment briefing that it's important not to bug immediately the speed chased, but for example, put flap 1 then bug 190; flap 5 then bug 170, ecc.
When I was the PM, my partner asked to bug 170, with flaps in up position. So I said : "Are you sure you don't want 190 ?"
He replied immediately "yes that's correct".

For this reason they put 2 pilots in a cockpit, so it was not for being arrogant, but just to point out the mistake my colleague has done, and viceversa for me, for safety reasons.

For what concerning the sentence I wrote about the money they asked for the assessment, ok, I wrote something dangerous, I needed to let off some steam those days.
But I haven't changed my mind on that, because I'm going into another interview next month, and this company is paying my tickets if I'll catch their airplanes to get there.
And this is way different from Ryr.
And I've never had to pay for a job interview !

Anyway I'm still having some doubts regarding the selection method.
I'm not talking about myself, let say for instace I'm not a good fit for them, I accept that, but what about all the other guys, with multiple experiences, coming from important schools ?
All the people I met, in Simtech during the MCC course, all my flight school mates, and other guys I know, nobody passed (in different periods), and one of them is now working for a flag carrier !
To be fair just few guys got the job, but at least 2 years ago.

It sounds suspicious
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Old 13th Apr 2019, 13:13
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Originally Posted by Pinuz89 View Post
...let say for instace I'm not a good fit for them, I accept that, but what about all the other guys, with multiple experiences, coming from important schools ?
All the people I met, in Simtech during the MCC course, all my flight school mates, and other guys I know, nobody passed (in different periods), and one of them is now working for a flag carrier !...
I think you're making a very basic, and to be honest, stupid mistake here. Just because people with experience of coming from "important schools" (whatever bullcrap that means, clearly you're a sucker for marketing) doesn't make them the right fit. Maybe they are a right fit at a flag carrier, but not the right fit at Ryanair. Are you honestly so naive to believe that every airline wants the exact same profile of pilot?

There is a company culture, and every company is different. What Ryanair wants may be different than your flag carriers, and all the obviously unbiased information your so many failed friends have provided you.

My advice to you is stop acting a like a victim and realise, sometimes there are outside factors that are detrimental to you, and that sucks, and other times you need to look a bit more inwards. But whatever you do, do not continue down this trap of assuming the aviation industry or airlines owe you a job; they do not.
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Old 13th Apr 2019, 13:27
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Dear Pinuz, I've read everything related to your experience in RYR since your first post and I'm sorry about your experience. However, all experiences in assessments will help you in future assessments.

Originally Posted by Pinuz89 View Post
(...)
When I was the PM, my partner asked to bug 170, with flaps in up position. So I said : "Are you sure you don't want 190 ?"
He replied immediately "yes that's correct".
(...)
So for your mate, we now have an objective fact why he maybe didn't get the job: he had the info about the speed for every flap for a long time before the assessment and he didn't know it.
I'm not saying that this is the reason, we all can forget about the most basic things in a stressful situation like an airline assessment, but it's a possibility, in my opinion.

Originally Posted by Pinuz89 View Post
(...)
Anyway I'm still having some doubts regarding the selection method.
I'm not talking about myself, let say for instace I'm not a good fit for them, I accept that, but what about all the other guys, with multiple experiences, coming from important schools ?
(...)
It sounds suspicious
Luckily, in Ryanair doens't matter where you come from, but how you are and your knowledge. In my opinion, "coming from important schools" means nothing. You may have the best instructors and/or best means during your formation, but at the end of the day what really makes the difference is you and your own work.

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I would also like to point something that maybe a lot of people don't take into account (myself included, some time ago). The fact that you have passed the online assessment (including the psychological and personality tests) doesn't mean that they won't take them into account when making the final decision. I have friends working in psychology and they tell me that the tests are a very good way to have an average idea about the personality, but many times those tests are not 100% precise, so an interview can be very helpful in order to determine the type of personality.

I'm not saying that this is Pinuz case, but it's possible that they saw something in the personality tests that they were not sure about and they confirmed it in the interview and assessment. I repeat: I'm not saying that this is your case.

So overall, what I wanted to say is that a selection process is not as simple as we imagine (or want to imagine). The different tests that you make aren't isolated from the others, as they may look.
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Old 13th Apr 2019, 16:10
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From what I could tell when I went for my assessment they are just looking for friendly mature people who have a good attitude to hire

They have one of the best training of any airline worldwide if not the best so I don't think flight school or college degree matter too much to them, from what I could tell they know they can train the pilots to very high standards so the most important thing is your attitude and first impression

At interviews first impression is everything, if you don't give off a good first impression initially it may be hard to change their mind about you later during the interview and maybe they made their mind up about you already and won't get the job

In my opinion humility is one of the most important traits anyone can have not just pilots, show the interviewer you are professional, polite, friendly and can have a chat and I think it will go a long way for interviews moving forward

I really enjoyed my day there and it was nothing like I was expecting, very friendly people that work there and made me feel very comfortable on the day

Last but not least show them you are a team player, airline flying is all about the team and having each other's back and that includes cabin crew and any other crew from ground crew to ATC it's all about how you can engage with people on a day to day basis
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Old 13th Apr 2019, 22:09
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Originally Posted by Pinuz89 View Post
Hello,
I like your comment, and I agree on most of your tips.

Just few clarification, we were told in the pre-assessment briefing that it's important not to bug immediately the speed chased, but for example, put flap 1 then bug 190; flap 5 then bug 170, ecc.
When I was the PM, my partner asked to bug 170, with flaps in up position. So I said : "Are you sure you don't want 190 ?"
He replied immediately "yes that's correct".

For this reason they put 2 pilots in a cockpit, so it was not for being arrogant, but just to point out the mistake my colleague has done, and viceversa for me, for safety reasons.

For what concerning the sentence I wrote about the money they asked for the assessment, ok, I wrote something dangerous, I needed to let off some steam those days.
But I haven't changed my mind on that, because I'm going into another interview next month, and this company is paying my tickets if I'll catch their airplanes to get there.
And this is way different from Ryr.
And I've never had to pay for a job interview !

Anyway I'm still having some doubts regarding the selection method.
I'm not talking about myself, let say for instace I'm not a good fit for them, I accept that, but what about all the other guys, with multiple experiences, coming from important schools ?
All the people I met, in Simtech during the MCC course, all my flight school mates, and other guys I know, nobody passed (in different periods), and one of them is now working for a flag carrier !
To be fair just few guys got the job, but at least 2 years ago.

It sounds suspicious
Sounds like the call you made regarding flap retraction speeds was the right one so if thats what you meant when saying you gave the PF tips i agree with you - your actions seem OK to me on that front.

So there will be something else which meant that on that day you did not demonstrate all the qualities/attributes/personality traits they were looking for. There are far easier ways for Ryanair to make money than running dodgy assessments so we will have to agree to disagree there :-)

I do agree its pretty rubbish that they charge for the interview..... but its not uncommon in this industry, especially for low hour jobs. I am not saying its right, thats just the world we are in unfortunately.

As someone else mentioned, different airlines look for different things and i also know a few people who have failed the Ryanair assessment and then went on to get great jobs elsewhere, including flag carriers.

My advice would be try to take on as much feedback from this thread as you can into your next interview as even if you think some of the advice is wrong.... think of the consequences if its actually you thats wrong - you wont develop and you wont get a job. So use the experience to get better at assessments and then when you get that job, all job hunting trials and tribulations will be forgotten!!

Good luck in your next interview.


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Old 13th Apr 2019, 22:20
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Move on Pinuz. There are other jobs out there. I was in the same situation a little over a year ago and a few months later I got 4 job offers in the span 2 months with relatively good T&C's.

I also had a pleasant day at RYR, the assessors were very friendly and I thought I did well. Maybe I did, but something raised a flag for them and made them realise I was not the good fit for them at that point in time.
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Old 14th Apr 2019, 09:54
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Just relating what I have heard from a few. RyanAir have slightly changed their approach to recent recruitment, lots of speculation as to why, my own thoughts are their constant loss of well trained crew to others. They are favouring the more mature crew trusting that their retention rate improves. They of course will still recruit from schools as their need for constant number increases needed to keep up with their fleet acquisitions. Right now with the Max slowing down their rapid growth proposals I can see this just temporary slide in their recruitment. Pretty sure it's a very temporary situation. Generally Boeing crew job opportunity is a little stagnant with the concerns of the Max. Just a nervous time for some but again some see it as a positive in the recruitment business.
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Old 15th Apr 2019, 21:59
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Question does mcc ats worth it?

Hi all,

I am finishing ATPL in a month and I am looking into MCC\MCC ATS corses.
Im 28 years old and I have 450TT and a season as a tug pilot in UK thats worth mentioning as an experience on my CV.
My primary target is Ryanair for number of reasons.
For MCC ATS thats what they say as we see
  • Will be given preference during selection
  • Will be at a distinct advantage in the interview and assessment process

But I find it a bit pricy compare to a "regular" MCC.
How much do you guys know about this distinct advantage as they say?
Can I still get a call from them if i do only MCC?

Thanks
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Old 16th Apr 2019, 17:42
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Originally Posted by Banana Joe View Post
Move on Pinuz. There are other jobs out there. I was in the same situation a little over a year ago and a few months later I got 4 job offers in the span 2 months with relatively good T&C's.

I also had a pleasant day at RYR, the assessors were very friendly and I thought I did well. Maybe I did, but something raised a flag for them and made them realise I was not the good fit for them at that point in time.
Yes, I had few opportunities as well, the big mistake for fresh pilots, including me, is to focus only on Ryanair, as it was the sole opportunity.

Ok, with a TR and 500h on type, finding a job could be easier, but I cannot complain at present.
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Old 16th Apr 2019, 17:46
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Originally Posted by pilotbekesi View Post
Hi all,

I am finishing ATPL in a month and I am looking into MCC\MCC ATS corses.
Im 28 years old and I have 450TT and a season as a tug pilot in UK thats worth mentioning as an experience on my CV.
My primary target is Ryanair for number of reasons.
For MCC ATS thats what they say as we see
  • Will be given preference during selection
  • Will be at a distinct advantage in the interview and assessment process

But I find it a bit pricy compare to a "regular" MCC.
How much do you guys know about this distinct advantage as they say?
Can I still get a call from them if i do only MCC?

Thanks
The APS course is more complete, because there is a little test at the end, and you will do 40h instead of 28.
So, the course itself is better in terms of preparation, but I'm my opinion there's no difference for Ryr.
If they want to take you, they will, otherwise they won't.

If you have any doubts for the APS, the traditional MCC/JOC is absolutely still good for everyone.
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