Ryanair Interview and Sim Assessment (merged)
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This post from "Terms and Endearment" might be interesting to someone projecting future RyanAir earnings:
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...42#post3106642
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...42#post3106642
Command up-grade course's starting in march will see new captains on 1/2 basic salaries for the first six months, no doubt that will included the usual 1st April crap, so really 14 months.
MOL recently to the board in the USA that he expects in the not to distant future to have new capt,s on a basic of as low as 44000 euros
MOL recently to the board in the USA that he expects in the not to distant future to have new capt,s on a basic of as low as 44000 euros
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Cessna 310,
Yes, I did receive this e-mail from CAE on 24th of January, and still waiting for that call, and other friends as well. Not sure having received this e-mail means they will contact us though ? Any idea ?
Zest
Yes, I did receive this e-mail from CAE on 24th of January, and still waiting for that call, and other friends as well. Not sure having received this e-mail means they will contact us though ? Any idea ?
Zest
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SIM revision
Hi all
Does anybody fancy sharing a 737-200 simulator session before mid March. I am in the process of sourcing a SIM session and feel it might be a good idea to pair up for a pre-assessment practice.
PM me.
Does anybody fancy sharing a 737-200 simulator session before mid March. I am in the process of sourcing a SIM session and feel it might be a good idea to pair up for a pre-assessment practice.
PM me.
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Fellow Aviator,
I admire your attempts to warn these people, regrettably it appears that no matter how much you tell them they will regret it, they still want to pay ryanair for a job.
Just consider how long it will take you to break even slaving for ryanair at the current pay rates, then consider how much longer again as they start slashing skippers pay. And that's just to recover cost of your TR. What about all the other training costs before that?
And forget about "moving on to the better job," cos there won't be one as everyone else copies ryanair's t&c's. So you will then have no choice to be stuck long term on mickos "generous" E44k basic. That's your long term future that you're choosing by choosing fr.
I admire your attempts to warn these people, regrettably it appears that no matter how much you tell them they will regret it, they still want to pay ryanair for a job.
Just consider how long it will take you to break even slaving for ryanair at the current pay rates, then consider how much longer again as they start slashing skippers pay. And that's just to recover cost of your TR. What about all the other training costs before that?
And forget about "moving on to the better job," cos there won't be one as everyone else copies ryanair's t&c's. So you will then have no choice to be stuck long term on mickos "generous" E44k basic. That's your long term future that you're choosing by choosing fr.
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Thanks CamelhAir.
I suspect that these people that get called for an interview (including myself, but declined) are only a way to sell leftover sim capacity to. Remember, the assessment costs £252! It is a way for RyanAir to lower costs of their training facilities. So people, if you want to be taken advantage of go to RyanAir, they willl gladly take your money!
I suspect that these people that get called for an interview (including myself, but declined) are only a way to sell leftover sim capacity to. Remember, the assessment costs £252! It is a way for RyanAir to lower costs of their training facilities. So people, if you want to be taken advantage of go to RyanAir, they willl gladly take your money!
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I too dip in here every so often to see the almost breathless rush of those who, in their desire to get a job in aviation, seem utterly blind to any warnings or risks. They seem to want to believe any nonsense they are told about future earnings and expectations and are willing to gamble ALL on the basis of no written guarantees or documentation up front. Perfect for exploitation.
You would not do this in any other area of life, nor would anyone advise you to act in such a way. What is it about aviation that attracts people so lacking in basic caution? As as been pointed out here, those of you involved in this are sources of revenue and profit at all stages of your progression pass or fail. Interestingly, when they get to command there is a steady rise in the failures of those coming through this system. This dos not matter to Ryanair, as the supply of like-minded pilots seems endless.
Daddy may pay for the CPL/IR, or even your hard-earned savings. But all semblance of common sense seems to leave when the panic of having the licence but no job arrives.
I have now spoken to three people who have failed to get through the Ryanair type rating course. ALL three have been unable to recover any of their money they paid upfront, including one who never even made it into the Full Flight Simulator. NO additional help was provided and their empty seat, remarkably, was filled the day after they failed. Think, just think, about that.
I have also spoken to many more who made it into Ryanair to discover that the warnings were not enough, because things were already worse they had been told.
The warnings are loud and clear and repeated. Just make sure you have enough money and, when things get worse in the aviation industry - as they always do - things will get even worse in Ryanair.
You would not do this in any other area of life, nor would anyone advise you to act in such a way. What is it about aviation that attracts people so lacking in basic caution? As as been pointed out here, those of you involved in this are sources of revenue and profit at all stages of your progression pass or fail. Interestingly, when they get to command there is a steady rise in the failures of those coming through this system. This dos not matter to Ryanair, as the supply of like-minded pilots seems endless.
Daddy may pay for the CPL/IR, or even your hard-earned savings. But all semblance of common sense seems to leave when the panic of having the licence but no job arrives.
I have now spoken to three people who have failed to get through the Ryanair type rating course. ALL three have been unable to recover any of their money they paid upfront, including one who never even made it into the Full Flight Simulator. NO additional help was provided and their empty seat, remarkably, was filled the day after they failed. Think, just think, about that.
I have also spoken to many more who made it into Ryanair to discover that the warnings were not enough, because things were already worse they had been told.
The warnings are loud and clear and repeated. Just make sure you have enough money and, when things get worse in the aviation industry - as they always do - things will get even worse in Ryanair.
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Did anyone have succes with Ryanair?
Sounds very depressing!
Does anyone have anything good to say?
Did you get through the assessment day, typerating and got a job with Ryanair?
Did anyone bond for the rating instead of paying up-front?
Does anyone have anything good to say?
Did you get through the assessment day, typerating and got a job with Ryanair?
Did anyone bond for the rating instead of paying up-front?
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Are you stating that cadets are required to pay for the full cost of the TR upfront? Are you also stating that when a cadet fails the TR they don't get the money back for the portion of the TR not reached? 
I have now spoken to three people who have failed to get through the Ryanair type rating course. ALL three have been unable to recover any of their money they paid upfront, including one who never even made it into the Full Flight Simulator.
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CAN SOMEONE PLEASE POST SOMETHING USEFUL ABOUT THE INTERVIEW AND ASSESSMENT RATHER THAN GO OVER THE SAME OLD GROUND ! !
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The title of this thread gives a clue to what we want to discuss. We do not want to hear constant slagging off of Ryanair.
It would be more appropriate to join another discussion or start your own 'Pros and cons of Ryanair' where your valuable comments can be discussed.
That will leave this topic clear for it's stated purpose ie 'Ryanair Interview and Sim Assessment'.
It would be more appropriate to join another discussion or start your own 'Pros and cons of Ryanair' where your valuable comments can be discussed.
That will leave this topic clear for it's stated purpose ie 'Ryanair Interview and Sim Assessment'.
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Just for the reecord , I also turned down an interview with Ryanair. I have since found myself aJob elsewhere. For the sake of us all, think twice before ye allow FR to ruin the industry for ever.
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You do not pay Ryanair any money for the type rating. The TR costs and conditions are quite clear when you sign your contract with either CAE or BFSAA. They sell you a type rating. You sign up for the TR directly with either of the schools.
If you pass it you then proceed to line training with Ryanair. If you are not able to pass the TR and get stopped during training then you lose all your money. The schools then have to find some way to continue the training for the second person who was part of your crew for the training. A mess. Very few fail the type rating. A handful a year.
You should not start a TR course with any airline unless you 110% confident in your ability.
It appears that with Ryanair since PB has tightened up rules in the training area that all struggling students are being identifed very early in the process. They will not tolerate anything other than 110%.
If you pass it you then proceed to line training with Ryanair. If you are not able to pass the TR and get stopped during training then you lose all your money. The schools then have to find some way to continue the training for the second person who was part of your crew for the training. A mess. Very few fail the type rating. A handful a year.
You should not start a TR course with any airline unless you 110% confident in your ability.
It appears that with Ryanair since PB has tightened up rules in the training area that all struggling students are being identifed very early in the process. They will not tolerate anything other than 110%.
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Shall I Shant I!
Passed assessment been offered a TR spot.
Now the hard thinking starts! Currently debt free so able to borrow some of the cash without getting too deep in!
Can anyone here who's started with FR say when they were shown their training contract and how much TR was going to cost.
I know I'll get lots of negative responses but some level headed opinions would also be grateful.
Now the hard thinking starts! Currently debt free so able to borrow some of the cash without getting too deep in!
Can anyone here who's started with FR say when they were shown their training contract and how much TR was going to cost.
I know I'll get lots of negative responses but some level headed opinions would also be grateful.
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Currently, 22500 sterling should cover it if CAE based. The TR itself is approx 18500-19000. The other 3500 comprises additions such as licence conversion to IAA issue ( a compulsory requirement), uniform, flights, accommodation and living expenses.
I cant comment on the SAA alternative
but I do believe its considerably more expensive to live in Sweden.
I cant comment on the SAA alternative
but I do believe its considerably more expensive to live in Sweden.
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Anyone that has recently done the assessment at Dublin want to spill the beans?
Any changes to the sim profile etc?
Any info would help
Cheers
Any changes to the sim profile etc?
Any info would help
Cheers
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