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A pulse and a bank balance are preferred at Ryanair.
But seriously, pass rates are not 50%. That's absurd. Who could train all these pilots (loads of LTCs and TREs have left for the desert) and where would they be based? The company cut routes and grounded planes this summer because they have lost too many Captains and senior FOs.
And despite this, there are already too many FOs at Ryanair (heard this week from the mouth of a senior training pilot at Ryanair's East Midlands Training centre). To you guys this means that the hours you fly will be lower than is currently the norm for FOs. That means much less pay to repay those expensive loans.
You guys are recruited only because the training department makes a huge profit. Whether you sit around doing little flying once trained is not their problem.
But seriously, pass rates are not 50%. That's absurd. Who could train all these pilots (loads of LTCs and TREs have left for the desert) and where would they be based? The company cut routes and grounded planes this summer because they have lost too many Captains and senior FOs.
And despite this, there are already too many FOs at Ryanair (heard this week from the mouth of a senior training pilot at Ryanair's East Midlands Training centre). To you guys this means that the hours you fly will be lower than is currently the norm for FOs. That means much less pay to repay those expensive loans.
You guys are recruited only because the training department makes a huge profit. Whether you sit around doing little flying once trained is not their problem.
Don't waste your time Depone.
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Hi, anybody thinking about joining ryanair now think twice now. The expansion is over and they will continue to run the typerating to make some extra cash. Currently flying hrs for FO's are spiraling downwards rapidly, there will be no chance paying back your loans not even enough money for living expenses over the winter month. It is summer now and we are flying far less than last summer, there is no need for more FO's and they are currently running 3 typerating courses at the same time... It is not anymore what it used to be during the expansion, just keep that in mind before paying the 30k......
http://www.pprune.org/terms-endearme...-fr-bases.html
Have a look at this thread, also the plan of getting hrs and then get something better is not working very well anymore if you will only fly arround 400-500 hrs a year on a very low salary......
http://www.pprune.org/terms-endearme...-fr-bases.html
Have a look at this thread, also the plan of getting hrs and then get something better is not working very well anymore if you will only fly arround 400-500 hrs a year on a very low salary......
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Yes, of course is better to stay at home with no job at all, paying 3000 every year to have your licenses current and getting old while slowly forggeting everything you have learned in your atpl, and applying to the hundreds of succesful airlines in europe hiring new low hour wanabes.
come on guys, have you forgoten what being unemployed is?, are you that blind? RYR is not expanding, you will fly 500h, so what, youŽll get 30K gross a year, instead of paying the debt in 3 years it will take 5 or 6 while you keep yourself current, flying a 737 and whatever good thing you want to make out of it. There are no options out there, not in europe and very little in asia or africa... and you suggest to wait and not apply to ryanair, sure you remember this sentence: "Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans."
come on guys, have you forgoten what being unemployed is?, are you that blind? RYR is not expanding, you will fly 500h, so what, youŽll get 30K gross a year, instead of paying the debt in 3 years it will take 5 or 6 while you keep yourself current, flying a 737 and whatever good thing you want to make out of it. There are no options out there, not in europe and very little in asia or africa... and you suggest to wait and not apply to ryanair, sure you remember this sentence: "Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans."
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You paid for a licence during the biggest global financial collapse that we may ever be likely to witness. Ryanair will not finance your debt. Joining leaves you with completely different prospects than what you would have had even four years ago. You have heard the warnings and to be frank, do what you like. You will find next to nobody in FR will actually give a sh1t. If you've done the sums, banked on 600 hours per year, the very real prospect of living away from home, the opportunity to upgrade being much greater than 4 years then well done. As I've always said, it must work for you first and foremost. The training still remains good as does the experience and most generally the people you share the flightdeck with. When I joined it had a lot more running for it that just that. It's up to you. Do what you like, just don't complain 1 or 2 years down the line. No one will offer you any compassion whatsoever.
You paid for a licence during the biggest global financial collapse that we may ever be likely to witness. Ryanair will not finance your debt. Joining leaves you with completely different prospects than what you would have had even four years ago. You have heard the warnings and to be frank, do what you like. You will find next to nobody in FR will actually give a sh1t. If you've done the sums, banked on 600 hours per year, the very real prospect of living away from home, the opportunity to upgrade being much greater than 4 years then well done. As I've always said, it must work for you first and foremost. The training still remains good as does the experience and most generally the people you share the flightdeck with. When I joined it had a lot more running for it that just that. It's up to you. Do what you like, just don't complain 1 or 2 years down the line. No one will offer you any compassion whatsoever.
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I know you guys have no other option but picture this: you will be based somewhere where u don't know anybody, and you don't speak the language. on a 5/3 roster probably with very bad commuting possibilites. you will have 3 stby a week only flying about 6-7 days a month. You will be barely able to support yourself, due to the low hours plus you have to pay for everything rent, transport, uniform food, water, ids literally everything..... It will take many many years until u have enough hours to go somewhere else, probably never.... Do you really want to pay 30k for this?
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Probably I'm too old, realistic or stupid, who knows, maybe my parents haven't paid for everything in my life and I have been working my ass in so many ****ty jobs for so long, that even in it's darkest hours (to the date) ryanair seems like a good job (terrible contract conditions, but good job nevertheless).
I think the problem with aviation is that is a career where you have to spend a lot of money to get somewhere, and most of you guys, with all due respect, have barely made it out of the nest and don't really know how is the real world, where most of the people will never make 40K gross a year in their whole life, then you expect just because you are a pilot, you must get a decent job, near your house with your friends and family making a ****load of money... then, welcome to the real world.
People should be aware of what you have said, because you are right, but you have all that information upfront before signing the contract, if you neglect the reality or expect something no one have said, it's your problem, don't cry after. But nothing of what you've said is enough to support the idea of not applying or work for ryr, you still will make more money for a living than the average common person, just because you've paid a lot of money for your education doesn't mean you will automatically get tons of money.
The only good reason to let the opportunity in ryanair go is if you will risk your parents house with a mortgage or something stupid like that, specially these days where no one knows with this crisis how the things will develop (wishful thinking is not an option), but the price for the TR is a bit more than the price for a car, if you can afford a car, make some sacrifice and buy a bike instead, while in exchange you will have your TR and 500H on the 737 a year (while it last, at least)
EDIT: And if you, dear wannabe, are not ready to live in the middle of nowhere, far from everything you know and with poor commuting conditions, then being a pilot is not for you, maybe you haven't notice yet, but an airport is not like a supermarket, you won't find one in every corner, you will have to move near one, and probably "yourvillage airlines" won't be hiring anytime soon, so big chances are that you will live far from home the rest of your life in case you are lucky enough to get a job.
I think the problem with aviation is that is a career where you have to spend a lot of money to get somewhere, and most of you guys, with all due respect, have barely made it out of the nest and don't really know how is the real world, where most of the people will never make 40K gross a year in their whole life, then you expect just because you are a pilot, you must get a decent job, near your house with your friends and family making a ****load of money... then, welcome to the real world.
People should be aware of what you have said, because you are right, but you have all that information upfront before signing the contract, if you neglect the reality or expect something no one have said, it's your problem, don't cry after. But nothing of what you've said is enough to support the idea of not applying or work for ryr, you still will make more money for a living than the average common person, just because you've paid a lot of money for your education doesn't mean you will automatically get tons of money.
The only good reason to let the opportunity in ryanair go is if you will risk your parents house with a mortgage or something stupid like that, specially these days where no one knows with this crisis how the things will develop (wishful thinking is not an option), but the price for the TR is a bit more than the price for a car, if you can afford a car, make some sacrifice and buy a bike instead, while in exchange you will have your TR and 500H on the 737 a year (while it last, at least)
EDIT: And if you, dear wannabe, are not ready to live in the middle of nowhere, far from everything you know and with poor commuting conditions, then being a pilot is not for you, maybe you haven't notice yet, but an airport is not like a supermarket, you won't find one in every corner, you will have to move near one, and probably "yourvillage airlines" won't be hiring anytime soon, so big chances are that you will live far from home the rest of your life in case you are lucky enough to get a job.
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Ryanair is not a good job, trust me. It was ok over the past years, not great but money was ok and you could make a living. But at the moment its changing rapidly, due to the expansion stop. FO's are already flying substantially less than last summer. I am currently flying about 35% less than last year which means a 35% paycut. By the looks there will be about a 50% paycut for FO's within the next year.... And no command opportunities anymore either...
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Don't you see a contradiction in what you are saying and what you are doing?
Do you realize that you are complaining because you make less money than before and some other crappy job conditions to people with no job at all? And your suggestion to this people is to stay at home with no job, waiting for a company which pays more or better, while you, with a TR and hours on type seem unable to move to a better company which fill your needs and make you happy? Why don't you quit if it's that bad for you?
Again, if you compare your life at ryr, and being unemployed at your home, what will you choose? Which one is better? You're entitled to be pissed with your job, but suggesting the wannabes is better to be at home with no job than take the chance at ryr, makes no sense.
Do you realize that you are complaining because you make less money than before and some other crappy job conditions to people with no job at all? And your suggestion to this people is to stay at home with no job, waiting for a company which pays more or better, while you, with a TR and hours on type seem unable to move to a better company which fill your needs and make you happy? Why don't you quit if it's that bad for you?
Again, if you compare your life at ryr, and being unemployed at your home, what will you choose? Which one is better? You're entitled to be pissed with your job, but suggesting the wannabes is better to be at home with no job than take the chance at ryr, makes no sense.
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Hi all,
I have been notifiied that I will recieve a phone call monday from CAE, however I took an extra attempt to pass 2 ATPL subjects. I have series 1 passes on the CPL/IR and speak a 2nd language.
Am I right in thinking the phone call is where they reject you for re-taking 2 exams?
Thanks for any information.
I have been notifiied that I will recieve a phone call monday from CAE, however I took an extra attempt to pass 2 ATPL subjects. I have series 1 passes on the CPL/IR and speak a 2nd language.
Am I right in thinking the phone call is where they reject you for re-taking 2 exams?
Thanks for any information.
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I don't regret joining ryanair, I have also almost paid all my loans off. At the moment there are no other jobs, even for experienced fo's with over 1000hrs on type! I am basically just warning you guys, that it is not anymore what it used to be a year ago, financially u won't be able to pay your loans off. Ad the end it is your decision if u are joining them, just be aware that u will barely fly any hrs in future.... Financially you will make - in winter and in summer hrs have decreased so much u will be about break even, paying for acc, transport, food, uniform.... your finances will spiral downwards, you will never be able to pay off your debt, so unless u got rich parents that pay everything for you, it will be a lose lose situations for you....
And by the way you won't be employed, and flying 5 days a month feels like unemployment, just that you are far away from home and can't even go home due to all the freakin' stbys on your roster....
cheers
And by the way you won't be employed, and flying 5 days a month feels like unemployment, just that you are far away from home and can't even go home due to all the freakin' stbys on your roster....
cheers
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Ronand: Don't try to scare people away to protect your own salary. Either leave Ryanair or work hard to change the working conditions and your contract. Moaning about 700h per year is an insult to a lot of people in this community. People who work at regular jobs, often low end jobs to pay for their renewals.
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It will be interesting with the two exam resists. They seem more interested that you have passed all the theory exams than the flying first time. For a good pilot you would think that their criteria would be first time passes on CPL and IR. Most pilots that I know and myself included are not book people, but are good handling pilots. I guess that the exam thing is an easy way to thin down the numbers. The question is why not use the flying passes to thin down the numbers. Any thoughts?
I wouldn't be so sure about that heading 125.
The 'book' stuff is actually very important, especially if you have any desire to become a Captain at some stage. or are you guys planning on being career FOs?
Any moron can handle an aircraft, much as almost every Tom, Dick and Harry can get a car driving licence. Good handling? It's more important to have situational awareness and high mental capacity.
In the old days airlines were highly selective and could choose those who were good academically AND could fly the plane.
Sign of the times that you don't even need a good education to get into FR. At least the likes of BA still have standards!
The 'book' stuff is actually very important, especially if you have any desire to become a Captain at some stage. or are you guys planning on being career FOs?
Any moron can handle an aircraft, much as almost every Tom, Dick and Harry can get a car driving licence. Good handling? It's more important to have situational awareness and high mental capacity.
In the old days airlines were highly selective and could choose those who were good academically AND could fly the plane.
Sign of the times that you don't even need a good education to get into FR. At least the likes of BA still have standards!
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Not a career FO Captain for Twenty five years!!!
A relative applied to Ryanair and was bin'ed at the phone stage. Four resits but first time passes at CPL and IR. Interestingly my dad had to resit some his ATPLs and he retired as a respected TRI/TRE. He always said that university educated pilots always knew the book work backwards but had difficulty flying, the reverse of course of the not so well educated. You really need the pilots in between. Practically minded seem to be the best in my opinion and not book worms.
A relative applied to Ryanair and was bin'ed at the phone stage. Four resits but first time passes at CPL and IR. Interestingly my dad had to resit some his ATPLs and he retired as a respected TRI/TRE. He always said that university educated pilots always knew the book work backwards but had difficulty flying, the reverse of course of the not so well educated. You really need the pilots in between. Practically minded seem to be the best in my opinion and not book worms.
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It will be interesting with the two exam resists. They seem more interested that you have passed all the theory exams than the flying first time. For a good pilot you would think that their criteria would be first time passes on CPL and IR. Most pilots that I know and myself included are not book people, but are good handling pilots. I guess that the exam thing is an easy way to thin down the numbers. The question is why not use the flying passes to thin down the numbers. Any thoughts?
My guess is they want first time passers in the TR because you have to study a lot of stuff in a very short time, so it's more like you would be able to do it if you've done it in the past during the atpl, than if you retook a few exams, which somehow I guess it tells them that you went to take the test poorly prepared. So they want to avoid the same situation just in case.