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Old 11th Mar 2006, 09:55
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Twin Engine Piston Pilot

Anyone got any idea about salary for a twin engine piston charter pilot?
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Old 11th Mar 2006, 10:05
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Don't know about salary, but freelance rates seem to be £100-£150 per day.
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If you are lucky: £20,000 + Benefits.

If you frelance: £100 - £140 (incl benefits) per day

If your not lucky or just on average salaray: £15,000 - £20,000 INCL Benefits

It depends on the employer, the contracts they fly, how many hours you will fly and your experience.

If they ask you in an interview, push for the low twenties. If you are good enough you will get it!

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In my (limited) experience, £20-25k seems about average............... though there are a few who pay a good deal less.
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ok thank you to all who replied now I have an idea of what to ask for!
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Also remember dont pay for your own training. It really isnt worth it. If it where a multi crew jet aircraft, counting towards unfreezing your atpl, then okay.

I was paid 28 000 euro plus pension and medical and training too, for a single crew operation.

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My pay will work out around £20-25,000 a year, depending on how busy I am and if I take any holiday. I have a small retainer and pay when I fly.
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A mate used to fly for a wee charter company up north and he had to pay for his training, got no wages while doing so, also paid for his OPC/LPC , he got £15,000pa as a retainer and £15/hour flight pay.
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Ouch !

Heard of companies driving a hard bargin, but this is a tough one to beat. But I guess when you need a job you have to take what you can, did'nt know ryanair where in the charter business.

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Good one mr wonka, very funny

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Old 15th Mar 2006, 11:29
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If you calculate that it really isn't bad! I look like flying about 600-650 hours a year, so the goon's mate can look to perhaps £24,000. Oop north that can go a fair way, and compares well with many FOs' starting salaries. Training is not very expensive if he's flying a piston twin, most can usually be on public-transport flights so you pay nothing, and there will be no type rating.
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SC,

Is there much scope for doing this type of work on an ad-hoc basis, say 2-3 days/month?

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Hi guys,
This is exactly the kind of flying I am looking for for a first aviation position. Does anyone know of any companies who will accept low time CPL/ME pilots?

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I am afraid that low hours people and commercial operations on light twins rarely go together. This is mainly due to the insurers whom usually require a pilot to have 700 hours min.
 
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I am afraid that low hours people and commercial operations on light twins rarely go together. This is mainly due to the insurers whom usually require a pilot to have 700 hours min particularly for single pilot stuff. Even some operators that fly single pilot aircraft (king air, 406 etc) as multi crew require 700 hours as I found out recently at the end of the interview, which up until that point it looked like I may have been offered the position............
 
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Ah ok, thanks for that duir. I wouldve thought that it would have been easier to start on light commercial twin ops, and then work upto larger aircraft but obviously not!
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Sorry to be the bearer of bad tidings old bean and I am not saying all companies have the same policy. However in some respects I would say that flying a light piston twin single pilot IFR is potentially some of the most demanding and hazardous flying out there and these operators want experienced bods on the job. I would suggest getting into ANY flying job you can and building your experience. I went straight onto the FI course the day after the IR and started work a week after the licence arrived. I simply could not stand the idea of spending a couple of years on training and £50000 to not fly something for a living. After 5 months of full time FI I just had my first interview and looks like I will be getting another interview soon. This is due to having a flying job, several hundred hours, location and most important of all the the contacts I have made through instructing. Lets not be too mercenary about instructing either as it has improved me as a pilot 110% and it's superb fun and tres rewarding. I fully intend to keep instructing in the longterm and I feel it really is the best choice for a low houred pilot to improve.
 
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Out of those 700 hours, is there a minimum requirement reguaring IFR hours?
(Exept the ones to get the IR of course)

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Can't speak for the rest but the company I recently had the interview with simply required 700 hrs total time with current CPL/IR. This may be different to others requirements due to the operation being multi crew on a single pilot aircraft.
 
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Originally Posted by winch launch
Out of those 700 hours, is there a minimum requirement reguaring IFR hours?
(Exept the ones to get the IR of course)
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I'm not quite sure about insurance companies, but I know that some companies' AOCs haven't been updated to reflect the change from CAA requirements (700h TT) to JAA requirements (400h TT).

CAA requirements for AOC holders are, I believe:

700 TT
400 PIC
100 ME
40 IFR ME

+ current IR
+ valid recurrent checks

THAT is why most air taxi companies won't be interested if you've got less than 700h. Ravenair is one of the only companies I believe who have the ability to employ a Commander on a Public Transport flight with <700h TT.
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