Do I seriously need to worry.....
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Do I seriously need to worry.....
Graduated from a flying school integrated course 8 months ago with Frozen ATPL. First time passes on all ATPL ground theory subjects with more than 90% average. First time passes on all flying checks (e.g. CPL etc) except IR (passed it series one, attempt two).
However, I still have not got any job offer, not even an interview opportunity.
Are there anyone who are similar to my situation (ie, not able to obtain any interview or job offer so long after obtaining F.ATPL) or should I seriously worry about my situation........?
I'd appreciate for any relevant inputs or replies speaking from experience.....
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However, I still have not got any job offer, not even an interview opportunity.
Are there anyone who are similar to my situation (ie, not able to obtain any interview or job offer so long after obtaining F.ATPL) or should I seriously worry about my situation........?
I'd appreciate for any relevant inputs or replies speaking from experience.....
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Where did you do your course?
I went to a talk given to some integrated school grads the other day given my everyone's favourite FlyBe representative, and he said that anyone interested in working for FlyBe should NOT fill in the online application form. Rather they should talk to the school's recruitment coordinator.
This at the time FlyBe were closing their online application form because they had received so many applications....
I went to a talk given to some integrated school grads the other day given my everyone's favourite FlyBe representative, and he said that anyone interested in working for FlyBe should NOT fill in the online application form. Rather they should talk to the school's recruitment coordinator.
This at the time FlyBe were closing their online application form because they had received so many applications....
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Every 10 pilots there 8 non pilots(europe).
someone has to have a non flying job.
You have 45% possibility to fail completly.
But don't worry there are other jobs out there......
someone has to have a non flying job.
You have 45% possibility to fail completly.
But don't worry there are other jobs out there......
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My CV is identical to yours but I finished 18 months ago...
There is oversupply at our end of the market so you have to be lucky or have a plan. I know which I prefer.
The comment about keeping current is true. You have to do something to lift yourself out of the newbie pile. Instruct, tow banners or gliders - do anything that gives you some more hours and some more experience. Sorting that out will keep you busy enough! As your hours increase, keep applying and building your network of contacts. Most of all, keep planning what to do next to get to your goal. You have to make it happen.
Good luck.
There is oversupply at our end of the market so you have to be lucky or have a plan. I know which I prefer.
The comment about keeping current is true. You have to do something to lift yourself out of the newbie pile. Instruct, tow banners or gliders - do anything that gives you some more hours and some more experience. Sorting that out will keep you busy enough! As your hours increase, keep applying and building your network of contacts. Most of all, keep planning what to do next to get to your goal. You have to make it happen.
Good luck.
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Hi,
I have had the same, graduated in July 2005 from an integrated course. Must have applied to almost every operator in Europe. So far only 1 interview in Germany, didn't get through due to the language (lack of technical German knowledge).
Indeed best way is to keep building your hours, I am currently doing sightseeing flights and photo flights in the weekends. And keep sending out your C.V, call, email (built that network).
The best of luck to all out there,
SBAB
I have had the same, graduated in July 2005 from an integrated course. Must have applied to almost every operator in Europe. So far only 1 interview in Germany, didn't get through due to the language (lack of technical German knowledge).
Indeed best way is to keep building your hours, I am currently doing sightseeing flights and photo flights in the weekends. And keep sending out your C.V, call, email (built that network).
The best of luck to all out there,
SBAB
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same thing here, first pass on everything, did instructing and managed to get over 600 hrs.
sent out applications worldwide but especially in europe, over 600 applications
outcome: 0 interviews
sent out applications worldwide but especially in europe, over 600 applications
outcome: 0 interviews
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Q: Do I need to worry?
Ans: No.
Forgive me St. Giles, but looking for a flying job for 8 months isn't long. Your qualifications, averages, etc are all very good successes however you must remember that there has been very little recruitment over the past three or four years. You are swimming in a crowded pool.
Granted there are people out there who've been looking for less time than yourself and may have landed a job but they are very few and far between in my opinion. As an instructor, I've continued to build my hours, experience and crucially my contacts all with a view to achieving the goal of landing that job. What I've also done is seen the previous few years students come back in to the school for IR renewals having not flown significantly since the last renewal. For me, it has only JUST payed off after several years.
Best advice I can give. Keep flying in some context, keep building experience and qualifications. Whilst I don't expect you'll be waiting four years with the market becoming more bouyant by the day, you may be waiting a little while longer. You may get a phone call on monday for that matter, but worrying will get you no closer to the top of the pile. Keep plugging away at it.
Best of luck.
GFYA
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Forgive me St. Giles, but looking for a flying job for 8 months isn't long. Your qualifications, averages, etc are all very good successes however you must remember that there has been very little recruitment over the past three or four years. You are swimming in a crowded pool.
Granted there are people out there who've been looking for less time than yourself and may have landed a job but they are very few and far between in my opinion. As an instructor, I've continued to build my hours, experience and crucially my contacts all with a view to achieving the goal of landing that job. What I've also done is seen the previous few years students come back in to the school for IR renewals having not flown significantly since the last renewal. For me, it has only JUST payed off after several years.
Best advice I can give. Keep flying in some context, keep building experience and qualifications. Whilst I don't expect you'll be waiting four years with the market becoming more bouyant by the day, you may be waiting a little while longer. You may get a phone call on monday for that matter, but worrying will get you no closer to the top of the pile. Keep plugging away at it.
Best of luck.
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There are a million different theorys on the best way to make yourself attractive to the airlines so I can only tell you what I did.
After finishing college and at about the same point in time that you are at, I blagged another few quid off the Bank Manager and got myself an Instructors Rating. I instructed for about 9 months, got my MCC, and spoke to the then CP (Iain Huzzard) from Loganair at the BALPA Jobs Conference. Got an interview a couple of weeks later after resubmitting my CV to them.
Whether it was the Instructing, they seemed very happy with the fact that I had instructed, or the jobs conference, when everyone else was off trying to speak to the Easyjet man, I don't know. What I do know is that it took me about 20 months in total to get that first job, at the time that seemed about average amongst my mates (97 - 99).
It's one of the worst things i've had to go through so I know where you're coming from, but you'll get there in the end if you keep trying.
The other thing to bear in mind is that instructing seems to get some bad press. I loved it ,although I admit 9 months is maybe not enough time to get fed up with it, but it definately made me more confident in the cockpit and made me a better pilot.
Cheers
W-W
After finishing college and at about the same point in time that you are at, I blagged another few quid off the Bank Manager and got myself an Instructors Rating. I instructed for about 9 months, got my MCC, and spoke to the then CP (Iain Huzzard) from Loganair at the BALPA Jobs Conference. Got an interview a couple of weeks later after resubmitting my CV to them.
Whether it was the Instructing, they seemed very happy with the fact that I had instructed, or the jobs conference, when everyone else was off trying to speak to the Easyjet man, I don't know. What I do know is that it took me about 20 months in total to get that first job, at the time that seemed about average amongst my mates (97 - 99).
It's one of the worst things i've had to go through so I know where you're coming from, but you'll get there in the end if you keep trying.
The other thing to bear in mind is that instructing seems to get some bad press. I loved it ,although I admit 9 months is maybe not enough time to get fed up with it, but it definately made me more confident in the cockpit and made me a better pilot.
Cheers
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For a lucky few, it's entirely possible to get straight into the RHS of a B757 on graduation from flight school. Many will go straight to a B737 or A320. However, there will be many more who don't! You still have to be lucky - and you have to understand that you are missing out on a great deal of good flying by going straight to a modern jet. In an ideal world there would be a more structured (and fun) route to jet flying, but that's not how the market works. Still, those who do manage to go via the 'traditional' route of FI, air-taxi, commuter and then jet will have more fun on the way than those who go straight to a 320 or 738, and will not regret their choice when the time comes for bar-room story-telling in their twilight years!
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GFYA,
Sorry to disagree but recruitment over the last 12 months or so has been plentiful compared with the 2-3 years before that. Look at all the threads running which discuss how long one might spend in the hold pool or which airlines charge for type-ratings. Two years ago you couldn't even buy a job whereas now, for the lucky few, some jet jobs are even available straight from training. With BA now recruiting, there will be a scurry of applications coming from pilots in the second/third tier operations which is good news for the wannabes.
The devil, however, is in the detail. Although there is (relatively speaking) plenty of recruitment, the competition at the lower end of the experience scale is still intense. Some of the airlines are still using the hold pool as a means of attracting the better candidates until they have vacancies in their type-rating courses; however, inevitably, this often means that the more "attractive" candidates might be in one or more pools or even have several job offers. The obvious consequence of this situation is that some airlines delude themselves about the success of their recruitment campaigns.
For all that I've said above, I still wouldn't be unduly worried if I'd had no job offer several mmonths after completing training. Luck, and the recruitment cycle, have a large part to play and although I can't really explain why it appears that you can apply for months on end without success and then, like buses, several interviews will come along at once. I guess that whatever market forces make you attractive to one airline applies to their competitors.
The advice above is good though. Stay as current as you can and keep plugging away.
Good luck one and all,
HP
Sorry to disagree but recruitment over the last 12 months or so has been plentiful compared with the 2-3 years before that. Look at all the threads running which discuss how long one might spend in the hold pool or which airlines charge for type-ratings. Two years ago you couldn't even buy a job whereas now, for the lucky few, some jet jobs are even available straight from training. With BA now recruiting, there will be a scurry of applications coming from pilots in the second/third tier operations which is good news for the wannabes.
The devil, however, is in the detail. Although there is (relatively speaking) plenty of recruitment, the competition at the lower end of the experience scale is still intense. Some of the airlines are still using the hold pool as a means of attracting the better candidates until they have vacancies in their type-rating courses; however, inevitably, this often means that the more "attractive" candidates might be in one or more pools or even have several job offers. The obvious consequence of this situation is that some airlines delude themselves about the success of their recruitment campaigns.
For all that I've said above, I still wouldn't be unduly worried if I'd had no job offer several mmonths after completing training. Luck, and the recruitment cycle, have a large part to play and although I can't really explain why it appears that you can apply for months on end without success and then, like buses, several interviews will come along at once. I guess that whatever market forces make you attractive to one airline applies to their competitors.
The advice above is good though. Stay as current as you can and keep plugging away.
Good luck one and all,
HP
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With all the pressure to pay back loans and get that all-important first job, I think some of us are forgetting the fun element. I'm certainly hoping I can have a go at the FI/ air taxi etc path - much more exciting even if it's not as well paid...
With all the pressure to pay back loans and get that all-important first job, I think some of us are forgetting the fun element. I'm certainly hoping I can have a go at the FI/ air taxi etc path - much more exciting even if it's not as well paid...
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Originally Posted by EGBKFLYER
Scroggs
With all the pressure to pay back loans and get that all-important first job, I think some of us are forgetting the fun element. I'm certainly hoping I can have a go at the FI/ air taxi etc path - much more exciting even if it's not as well paid...
With all the pressure to pay back loans and get that all-important first job, I think some of us are forgetting the fun element. I'm certainly hoping I can have a go at the FI/ air taxi etc path - much more exciting even if it's not as well paid...
