Anybody Knows How many Self-TypeRated are Unemployed?
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Anybody Knows How many Self-TypeRated are Unemployed?
Hi guys and girls,
Does Anybody Knows the number of pilots already self-sponsored type rated and still unemployed after all?
Any tips on the next future, 1/2 years ahead?
Gracias
Does Anybody Knows the number of pilots already self-sponsored type rated and still unemployed after all?
Any tips on the next future, 1/2 years ahead?
Gracias
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I dont think that you will get many responses to this...I could be wrong...
(I certainly wouldnt want to admit that Id spent £20k..and was still out of a job)
Sign of the times it seems....
(I certainly wouldnt want to admit that Id spent £20k..and was still out of a job)
Sign of the times it seems....
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Well, from what I know, only in Spain there are about 150 pilots with the A320 type rating currently unemployed. This information comes from Aeromadrid. I don't know in other countries.
Hope this help.
Hope this help.
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Don't you think that 150 pilots A320 type rated unemployed ONLY in Spain, most of them with more that 1500 total time, are not a huge amount of them? If you add the ones from UK, France, Italy, Germany... you will have almost 1000 A320 pilots looking for a job. If you still consider an A320 type rating as a good investment, well....
And I am sure if you ask to most of them if they want they money back, I think that we all know the answer: OF COURSE.
And I am sure if you ask to most of them if they want they money back, I think that we all know the answer: OF COURSE.
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They should all be out of a job if they paid for their own TR without a job guarantee !!!!!
There appear to be a lot of bitter, presumably unemployed, pilots out there. When you come into this game you should be as prudent as possible. Budget for a type rating, as like it or not it appears to be the norm more and more.
We all agree that its not fair, but its the way of the World. Yes, its thanks to the loco carriers, but without the loco carriers there would be a good few hundred less jobs out there at the moment.
I think it takes the average guy 6-36 months for their first commercial jobs. If you have the cash, then these Astraeus/Wizz/Storm schemes are a bloody good fast track route to the RHS.
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I think "Rowley UK" has a point.
Yes it is the way of the world to pay for your own rating with loco's, but it ain't worth doing unless you have a job guarantee.
Otherwise, If you dont get a job within a couple of months your rating is just about worthless.
Good luck to eveyone that is searching.
I think "Rowley UK" has a point.
Yes it is the way of the world to pay for your own rating with loco's, but it ain't worth doing unless you have a job guarantee.
Otherwise, If you dont get a job within a couple of months your rating is just about worthless.
Good luck to eveyone that is searching.
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What is failing in your calculations is that the biggest airline in spain is Iberia and has a fleet of less than 140 aircrafts all models included, i would say that perhaps 75% are Airbus of the 32x series , that would be a total of about 110 A320/A319/A321 , 5 crews means 5 F/O per aircraft so the fleet must be increassed of some 30 aircraft , wich means 25 % of the airbus fleet in say 2 years .....................
Not in the best of your optimistic dreams would you see that, if you have any doubt check the fleet growth of the spanish companies in the last years.
Take in account that countries like Spain do not have a big aeronautical industry like other countries do (UK for instance).
Please be realistic, a TR with no job is flushing the money trough the WC.
Not in the best of your optimistic dreams would you see that, if you have any doubt check the fleet growth of the spanish companies in the last years.
Take in account that countries like Spain do not have a big aeronautical industry like other countries do (UK for instance).
Please be realistic, a TR with no job is flushing the money trough the WC.
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so where are the type rated pilots, apparently they are not reading or posting on this forum.
what about this school in Germany who says half of their new type rated pilots find a job within 1 year?(OK, they can say anything as long you pay)
what about China, and all these new Eastern Europe Low cost airlines.
Do you think really that someone will call you and pay you for your type?. Be realist, the fuel is expensive, airlines have to be competitive...,many low hours pilots with no experience,
Who they would hire: me with a type rating or you with no type rating?
at the end, it is all about MONEY! it is not about you!
what about this school in Germany who says half of their new type rated pilots find a job within 1 year?(OK, they can say anything as long you pay)
what about China, and all these new Eastern Europe Low cost airlines.
Do you think really that someone will call you and pay you for your type?. Be realist, the fuel is expensive, airlines have to be competitive...,many low hours pilots with no experience,
Who they would hire: me with a type rating or you with no type rating?
at the end, it is all about MONEY! it is not about you!
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Hmmm... bear in mind that when you (as an airline) buy an Airbus, for example, they throw in 5 or 6 sim courses with it. This means that the training costs are associated with line (and therefore revenue earning) flying.
Sometimes having a type-rating works, sometimes it doesn't. There really is no right or wrong answer to this. Some airlines prefer to train their own people, some will pick a self type-rated person and run a differences course.
In the UK the growth is in the 'work for us for six months for nothing, we'll give you a type-rating and some experience' scheme.' Personally, I don't like these things - they undermine pay and conditions for everyone else but I do understand why people opt for them, especially when you're behind on the repayments for your integrated ATPL course....
Sometimes having a type-rating works, sometimes it doesn't. There really is no right or wrong answer to this. Some airlines prefer to train their own people, some will pick a self type-rated person and run a differences course.
In the UK the growth is in the 'work for us for six months for nothing, we'll give you a type-rating and some experience' scheme.' Personally, I don't like these things - they undermine pay and conditions for everyone else but I do understand why people opt for them, especially when you're behind on the repayments for your integrated ATPL course....
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Astraeus/Wizz/Storm schemes are a bloody good fast track route to the RHS.
Yes it is good for personal gain but not for anyone else other than the airline involved.
Paying to sit in the RHS of a jet with fare paying passengers in it is taking the biscuit - and I'm probably not the only one who is disappointed that the industry and some people will stoop to such levels. You wouldn't pay to drive a bus / train, you wouldn't pay to do ANY other job where customers are paying.
There are plenty of other employers who will pay you to sit in the RHS!
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Yes it is good for personal gain but not for anyone else other than the airline involved
You wouldn't pay to drive a bus / train
There are plenty of other employers who will pay you to sit in the RHS
At the end of the day there will be those who agree and those who disagree. I'm guessing that those who disagree are the ones without the financial resources. Tell me, if you could afford it, would you do it? Course you would.
I could afford it but didn't. I waited until I was offered a proper job in the RHS.
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The way I see it is that if you're at work you should be getting paid for it, not doing it for free and certainly not paying to do it.
On your line training you are flying fare paying passengers and fulfilling the airline's requirement to have a pilot in the rhs. Sure you're still training and have a lot to learn but that's the way it is when starting any job.
It's a really desperate pilot that pays to go to work.
On your line training you are flying fare paying passengers and fulfilling the airline's requirement to have a pilot in the rhs. Sure you're still training and have a lot to learn but that's the way it is when starting any job.
It's a really desperate pilot that pays to go to work.