Ryanair Assessment Scam?
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Ryanair Assessment Scam?
I've just been fortunate enough
to have recently been invited to a Ryanair Assessment day at EMA. I failed the sim, and have no grievancies about that but I feel that everyone going for this adventurous day out, I was there for 11 hours and it cost GBP300 , should be aware that you have a very slight chance of succeeding and that this bullish airline has found another way of making CASH. This time from desperate low houred wanabee pilots who have given everything in order to make a career from flying but who just need a chance. Congatulations to everyone who has passed the assessment but even after the self financed type rating course they enter a contract period and are not employed by the company.
There is a wealth of pilots for them to choose from but by heck you've gotta be good... real good for a low houred jockey. Reality is they are just ploughing through as many as they can, taking they're money and saying cheers, "Roll Up Roll Up who's next and fancies their chances??" BEWARE!
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to have recently been invited to a Ryanair Assessment day at EMA. I failed the sim, and have no grievancies about that but I feel that everyone going for this adventurous day out, I was there for 11 hours and it cost GBP300 , should be aware that you have a very slight chance of succeeding and that this bullish airline has found another way of making CASH. This time from desperate low houred wanabee pilots who have given everything in order to make a career from flying but who just need a chance. Congatulations to everyone who has passed the assessment but even after the self financed type rating course they enter a contract period and are not employed by the company.There is a wealth of pilots for them to choose from but by heck you've gotta be good... real good for a low houred jockey. Reality is they are just ploughing through as many as they can, taking they're money and saying cheers, "Roll Up Roll Up who's next and fancies their chances??" BEWARE!
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I'm too annoyed with this to be constructive. You guys prove yourself to be intelligent and capable human beings by qualifying as commercial pilots, then you go and fall for this kind of crap, you deserve no sympathy whatsoever.
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The nature of the business of Low Cost Carriers is to minimise any cost within reason and so pass on savings to its pax. £200Gbp or whatever it is in euro now is a training cost that RYR can minimse without blushing. Every potential cadet is aware of the cost of selection before going along to EMA so posting after the event(especially when you didn't make it) appears bitter.
The name in this game, without sticking your head in the sand and taking it up the ash, is to keep your head down and just get on with the job. It will all come right in the end and have been worth all the grief!
Hope you get lucky with some commpany real soon mate!
The name in this game, without sticking your head in the sand and taking it up the ash, is to keep your head down and just get on with the job. It will all come right in the end and have been worth all the grief!
Hope you get lucky with some commpany real soon mate!
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Yosser, i was there on wednesday and passed. Unlucky, i dont think it is a scam. It is always difficult to accept failure especially when you think you have done ok. Think of the positives you got interview experience, you got an hour and a half in a simulator, you may even possibly have even met me ( a rare treat in itself). Chin up it could be worse.
FLYBE - dont you dare be so arrogant, i presume you are fortunate to be employed. Have a little look at your contract and how you are paying off your training (prob a bond) then look at your salary. Then have a look at the ryanair deal and i think you will find that after 18 months a FR pilot will be in a much better position. Better aircraft type, more hours, less agro. more money, stable roster, better bases, better routes. Nuff said
Also Fr dont just let anyone attend the selection days, it depends on their current requirements. So anyone who thinks they will apply then recieve a phonecall sometime in the future is completely wrong. I was told that only 3 out mof ten pass pilot selection.
FLYBE - dont you dare be so arrogant, i presume you are fortunate to be employed. Have a little look at your contract and how you are paying off your training (prob a bond) then look at your salary. Then have a look at the ryanair deal and i think you will find that after 18 months a FR pilot will be in a much better position. Better aircraft type, more hours, less agro. more money, stable roster, better bases, better routes. Nuff said
Also Fr dont just let anyone attend the selection days, it depends on their current requirements. So anyone who thinks they will apply then recieve a phonecall sometime in the future is completely wrong. I was told that only 3 out mof ten pass pilot selection.
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All of us who are recently qualified and low on hours would just about sell our Mothers for that first flying job! And Ryanair and O'Leary know that. And yes those of us that are lucky enough to be offer a position with Ryanair will initially look differently upon this! But without Pilots a Company would not be able to operate and even those Ryanair pilots who have been with the company a few years now are unhappy at the way they are unsed and abused. So why don't we start by stopping! Don't apply to Ryanair, they would soon have to change their recruitment policy.Thats is my feeling about this company, the One and only company I have never applied to, because of the way they treat the staff and potential staff.
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but by heck you've gotta be good... real good for a low houred jockey.
Don't apply to Ryanair, they would soon have to change their recruitment policy.
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Are you sure
I Don't think so, you just have to read Pprune the National papers and some big pilot unions, to know what people are thinking!!!!!!!
You really think so?(YES) Many are called, few are chosen (Money spinner). Would you really have us relax our standards to give the likes of you an easier ride(What Standars? Have pliots pay for everything)? We're running a successful airline, not a sheltered workshop for inadequates.
I would be careful calling people names!!
You really think so?(YES) Many are called, few are chosen (Money spinner). Would you really have us relax our standards to give the likes of you an easier ride(What Standars? Have pliots pay for everything)? We're running a successful airline, not a sheltered workshop for inadequates.
I would be careful calling people names!!
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Tend to agree with Dictionary/Yosser here. Being currently "in between jobs" and actively looking, I found the tone on Ryanair's website to be totally arrogant and it just pi**ed me off.
It does indeed appear to be making the most out of the current market with plenty of low hours guys around more than happy to add a few hundred quid to their debts for the chance of that dream job.
Having said that, it is a commercial environment and they can get away with it at the moment.
Things are starting to change and so will Ryanair's attitude have to, I have been positively discouraged from quite a few not to apply so won't be wasting my time and money
MD
It does indeed appear to be making the most out of the current market with plenty of low hours guys around more than happy to add a few hundred quid to their debts for the chance of that dream job.
Having said that, it is a commercial environment and they can get away with it at the moment.
Things are starting to change and so will Ryanair's attitude have to, I have been positively discouraged from quite a few not to apply so won't be wasting my time and money
MD
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HI EVERYONE! Fantastic - I enjoyed the responses...
Quite right the airline would wana take the best of the crop but for LOW HOURS guys who HAVE NOT flown a B737 before the chances of getting in are poor AND I realy believe the airline is feeding the bank account. B737 sim costs about £200/2hr, crews pair up making £600 for 1 and 1/2 hr...AND MAJORITY DON'T MAKE IT!! So why doesn't RYANAIR vet the CV's more closely because they can make money by letting guys n girls play the "job lottery". We are all desperate to fly for a living.
How is assessment done? Based on improvement or raw data tollerances?? I don't know.
Well done to the few who have made it, Im honestly pleased for you and good luck, commiserations to the rest, type rated and all.
For the record I'm not bitter, definately not. I knew I'd failed the sim and I enjoyed the "challenge" and Yes I'd be fool enough to have another go... The guys that got in ARE probably better than me but I like to think they were only better on the day..
Thanks for your thoughts one and all.
Ooooops forgot to reply to Ms. Turret...
I like you, you sound real fiesty but don\'t be too hard on us low houred "inadequates". You never know one day we might be using the same airspace.. (and don\'t say "I HOPE NOT!" hee hee)
Global thanx for the encouragement you sound the sort of guy who makes for a good working environment.. Ms. Turret what do you think?
Quite right the airline would wana take the best of the crop but for LOW HOURS guys who HAVE NOT flown a B737 before the chances of getting in are poor AND I realy believe the airline is feeding the bank account. B737 sim costs about £200/2hr, crews pair up making £600 for 1 and 1/2 hr...AND MAJORITY DON'T MAKE IT!! So why doesn't RYANAIR vet the CV's more closely because they can make money by letting guys n girls play the "job lottery". We are all desperate to fly for a living.
How is assessment done? Based on improvement or raw data tollerances?? I don't know.
Well done to the few who have made it, Im honestly pleased for you and good luck, commiserations to the rest, type rated and all.
For the record I'm not bitter, definately not. I knew I'd failed the sim and I enjoyed the "challenge" and Yes I'd be fool enough to have another go... The guys that got in ARE probably better than me but I like to think they were only better on the day..
Thanks for your thoughts one and all.
Ooooops forgot to reply to Ms. Turret...
I like you, you sound real fiesty but don\'t be too hard on us low houred "inadequates". You never know one day we might be using the same airspace.. (and don\'t say "I HOPE NOT!" hee hee)
Global thanx for the encouragement you sound the sort of guy who makes for a good working environment.. Ms. Turret what do you think?
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Dictionary - For what it's worth, you have my respect. You have taken on board information from many sources and made a personal choice, good on you for doing so.
eagerbeaver - See above para! You simply cannot ignore what is being said by so many people inside Ryanair, if this all adds up to 'less agro' in your opinion, then fine. The point I was making above was that, if you choose to ignore the wealth of advice available, and apply to this mob, don't expect any sympathy when you get rejected.
Yosser - Well done for taking these comments on the chin, hopefully you've learnt a valuable lesson.
eagerbeaver - See above para! You simply cannot ignore what is being said by so many people inside Ryanair, if this all adds up to 'less agro' in your opinion, then fine. The point I was making above was that, if you choose to ignore the wealth of advice available, and apply to this mob, don't expect any sympathy when you get rejected.
Yosser - Well done for taking these comments on the chin, hopefully you've learnt a valuable lesson.
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Yosser
About the simcheck and evaluation, as far as Im concerned, they want to see if you can fly. They are not expecting you to ace the techincal aspect of the flying.
What they do expect to see is good CRM and a good attitude. You have most likely never met you simpartner but still you have to be able to work like a team, sounds simple but can be hard as we all know.
This is valid for most of the airlines about, crm crm crm crm crm and attitude, and top that up with sound and reasonable flying.
my two cents...
duece
About the simcheck and evaluation, as far as Im concerned, they want to see if you can fly. They are not expecting you to ace the techincal aspect of the flying.
What they do expect to see is good CRM and a good attitude. You have most likely never met you simpartner but still you have to be able to work like a team, sounds simple but can be hard as we all know.
This is valid for most of the airlines about, crm crm crm crm crm and attitude, and top that up with sound and reasonable flying.
my two cents...
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This "mob" has created 190 new flying positions in the last 12 months. Sure it is not every ones cup of tea but in lean times 190 new jobs is not bad. Prehaps the terms and conditions will change when the market becomes stronger but in the meantime these new piots are logging hours on 737NGs.
Yes there are some people unhappy at RYR, like most companies I would think but there are heaps of others quiet content to be getting 2000hrs in their log book in the space of about 30months.
I respect everyones right to choose which company they apply to. From colleagues working for the dreaded RYR, the word is that is not the hell hole portrayed here and elsewhere.
rgds,
GP.
This "mob" has created 190 new flying positions in the last 12 months. Sure it is not every ones cup of tea but in lean times 190 new jobs is not bad. Prehaps the terms and conditions will change when the market becomes stronger but in the meantime these new piots are logging hours on 737NGs.
Yes there are some people unhappy at RYR, like most companies I would think but there are heaps of others quiet content to be getting 2000hrs in their log book in the space of about 30months.
I respect everyones right to choose which company they apply to. From colleagues working for the dreaded RYR, the word is that is not the hell hole portrayed here and elsewhere.
rgds,
GP.
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Low hours for a freshly qualified pilot would be around 200-250 of which the majority would be SE piston. With a type rating the minimum Ryanair are looking for is 100 on type before you can bypass the cadet scheme they run.
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I appreciate your comments. I just think that Ryanair are responsible for bringing down terms & conditions throughout the airline industry in the UK & Ireland. Having said that, obviously Ryanair are not solely responsible as they only lay down the criteria, it is us who choose to apply or not.
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May I draw your attention to this thread which is a summary of how poorly paid a new F/O is with Ryanair. You were painting a very rosy picture of Ryanair and I fear that you may be in for a shock. I will never work for Ryanair and I will never fly Ryanair as a passenger!
I am a First Officer in Ryanair and here is exactly how I am being payed in the first 12 months:
Type rating (4-6 WEEKS):
No pay
You then wait 2-4 weeks for base training without pay. After base training you are on the training contract basic rate for 6 months. This is an annual rate of 8700 pounds. However, you do not start getting payed this until after line training. Line training takes 2-3 months so you are therefore only payed on this rate for 3-4 months. Sounds complicated? It is purposely so.Not only that, but the company reduces this initial rate by 1000 pounds every year or so without notice. Next year you might therefore expect the rate to be 7700 pounds.
So, from the start of type rating until conclusion of line training you will only have earned about 750 pounds (half sector pay after safety pilot release and no basic salary yet).
About 3.5 months now remain until you finish your training contract. On the annual rate of 8700 (remember this will reduce eventually) you will earn 2530 basic in this time. Also, you will earn 2800 sector pay.
To sum up so far:
Day 1 to completion of line check ( 4 months) = 750 pounds
Line check to end of training contract (3.5 months) = 5330 pounds
Total after 7.5 months with the company = 6080 pounds.
It will now have been 6 months since base check. You will now go on the basic second officer terms. This amounts to a basic annual rate of 14000 pounds and half sector pay for a further 6 months.
In these 6 months you will therefore earn 7000 pounds basic and about 4800 pounds sector pay. This basic rate is also being reduced annually without notice.
Ok, here are the final figures (before tax) for the first 12 months after the base check:
Basic pay: 9530 pounds
Sector pay: 8350 pounds
Total: 17880 Pounds.
You can expect to remain on second officer pay scale for 18 months after line check. This will probably increase to a greater time period as time goes by.
As a turboprop F/O I am laughing at the pittence that is being paid! It is an insult to Ryanair pilots and those new joiners are not doing themselves any justice by joining such a outfit.
Yosser
Ryanair have done you a favour in giving you the elbow. You are far better off on the outside! Keep you chin high and you can smile because any other airline that you apply to now will be an improvement on Ryanair! That has to be a nice thought!
May I draw your attention to this thread which is a summary of how poorly paid a new F/O is with Ryanair. You were painting a very rosy picture of Ryanair and I fear that you may be in for a shock. I will never work for Ryanair and I will never fly Ryanair as a passenger!
I am a First Officer in Ryanair and here is exactly how I am being payed in the first 12 months:
Type rating (4-6 WEEKS):
No pay
You then wait 2-4 weeks for base training without pay. After base training you are on the training contract basic rate for 6 months. This is an annual rate of 8700 pounds. However, you do not start getting payed this until after line training. Line training takes 2-3 months so you are therefore only payed on this rate for 3-4 months. Sounds complicated? It is purposely so.Not only that, but the company reduces this initial rate by 1000 pounds every year or so without notice. Next year you might therefore expect the rate to be 7700 pounds.
So, from the start of type rating until conclusion of line training you will only have earned about 750 pounds (half sector pay after safety pilot release and no basic salary yet).
About 3.5 months now remain until you finish your training contract. On the annual rate of 8700 (remember this will reduce eventually) you will earn 2530 basic in this time. Also, you will earn 2800 sector pay.
To sum up so far:
Day 1 to completion of line check ( 4 months) = 750 pounds
Line check to end of training contract (3.5 months) = 5330 pounds
Total after 7.5 months with the company = 6080 pounds.
It will now have been 6 months since base check. You will now go on the basic second officer terms. This amounts to a basic annual rate of 14000 pounds and half sector pay for a further 6 months.
In these 6 months you will therefore earn 7000 pounds basic and about 4800 pounds sector pay. This basic rate is also being reduced annually without notice.
Ok, here are the final figures (before tax) for the first 12 months after the base check:
Basic pay: 9530 pounds
Sector pay: 8350 pounds
Total: 17880 Pounds.
You can expect to remain on second officer pay scale for 18 months after line check. This will probably increase to a greater time period as time goes by.
As a turboprop F/O I am laughing at the pittence that is being paid! It is an insult to Ryanair pilots and those new joiners are not doing themselves any justice by joining such a outfit.
Yosser
Ryanair have done you a favour in giving you the elbow. You are far better off on the outside! Keep you chin high and you can smile because any other airline that you apply to now will be an improvement on Ryanair! That has to be a nice thought!
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I was there at Ryanair assessment.I failed.
I don't want to say many thinks.....
But is a good change to try .....take a risk.....
is like casino.... you never know?
But I realy want to say that they treat you,like a slave who beg them to fly.
For example they don't offer you a telephone to call your hotel to pick you up!
Good luck!!!!
I don't want to say many thinks.....
But is a good change to try .....take a risk.....
is like casino.... you never know?
But I realy want to say that they treat you,like a slave who beg them to fly.
For example they don't offer you a telephone to call your hotel to pick you up!
Good luck!!!!