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el dorado,
you say that you "have met" pilots from all sorts of backgrounds and also that "Many have almost non-existent flying skills". I had absolutely no idea that you could tell that from meeting someone. I guess you've got some secret knowledge that not even the training captains/ chief pilots who do the sim checks on potential new employees don't have.
So go on, how DO you tell someones flying ability from meeting them?
I agree with Tim, having a cheap dig at Air_Jamaica for asking a reasonable question is not on. I've never met you but at the moment you sound like a bitter, twisted individual who never made it.
Air_Jamaica,
I believe that you can tell a lot from someone's attitude to interviews by the way they present themselves for interview, be it hairstyle or otherwise. Now, of course people shouldn't always feel pressured to "conform" but I did and wore a suit to selection, just like everyone else there. I would have preferred to wear jeans and a shirt and the fact I wore a suit did not increase my test results. Just my tuppence worth.
you say that you "have met" pilots from all sorts of backgrounds and also that "Many have almost non-existent flying skills". I had absolutely no idea that you could tell that from meeting someone. I guess you've got some secret knowledge that not even the training captains/ chief pilots who do the sim checks on potential new employees don't have.
So go on, how DO you tell someones flying ability from meeting them?
I agree with Tim, having a cheap dig at Air_Jamaica for asking a reasonable question is not on. I've never met you but at the moment you sound like a bitter, twisted individual who never made it.
Air_Jamaica,
I believe that you can tell a lot from someone's attitude to interviews by the way they present themselves for interview, be it hairstyle or otherwise. Now, of course people shouldn't always feel pressured to "conform" but I did and wore a suit to selection, just like everyone else there. I would have preferred to wear jeans and a shirt and the fact I wore a suit did not increase my test results. Just my tuppence worth.
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Been discussing your little problem with a few of the guys out here, not too sure what to put really, its one of them interesting examples where stereotype, culture and practicality all clash mate! I can be fairly confident in saying that they do have a fairly strict appearance policy when turning up at the airport for a flight, this policy seems to revolve around a smart appearance theme, so much so that I got my but kicked for wearing a brown belt once!
The usual stuff applies, clean shaven or facial hair neatly trimmed, clean and ironed uniform, etc etc, everything to boost a professional appearance typical of not only a Pilot but someone who takes pride in their appearance.
However, this is where the interesting question kicks in, who decides whats smart and whats not?? I personally think Dreads are awesome, and as far as taking pride in your appearance goes, I know that they are not particularly easy to take care of or maintain, therefore, in my humble opinion, it displays positives about one's attitudes. However, different people have different opinions and generally speaking it seems unfortunate that dreads appear to take on a negative aura in society!
It puzzles me.
As far as practicalities go, I will say one thing, Katana's are small aircraft, you take off your headset quite alot in flight to put foggles on and spend alot of time (especially towards the end) flying along with foggles and a headset wrapped around your head, not sure if that would work!
Therefore, my personal opinion is as follows. I am very against people having to conform to one uniform image, it brings nothing but a very clinical, robotic atmosphere to any organisation. However, for practicality reasons, I would suggest a revised hairdoo. Sorry mate.
(ps. you sound like a good laugh, and for what its worth, dreads or no dreads, your personality is the thing that comes accross at the interview stage.)
Been discussing your little problem with a few of the guys out here, not too sure what to put really, its one of them interesting examples where stereotype, culture and practicality all clash mate! I can be fairly confident in saying that they do have a fairly strict appearance policy when turning up at the airport for a flight, this policy seems to revolve around a smart appearance theme, so much so that I got my but kicked for wearing a brown belt once!
The usual stuff applies, clean shaven or facial hair neatly trimmed, clean and ironed uniform, etc etc, everything to boost a professional appearance typical of not only a Pilot but someone who takes pride in their appearance.
However, this is where the interesting question kicks in, who decides whats smart and whats not?? I personally think Dreads are awesome, and as far as taking pride in your appearance goes, I know that they are not particularly easy to take care of or maintain, therefore, in my humble opinion, it displays positives about one's attitudes. However, different people have different opinions and generally speaking it seems unfortunate that dreads appear to take on a negative aura in society!
It puzzles me.
As far as practicalities go, I will say one thing, Katana's are small aircraft, you take off your headset quite alot in flight to put foggles on and spend alot of time (especially towards the end) flying along with foggles and a headset wrapped around your head, not sure if that would work!
Therefore, my personal opinion is as follows. I am very against people having to conform to one uniform image, it brings nothing but a very clinical, robotic atmosphere to any organisation. However, for practicality reasons, I would suggest a revised hairdoo. Sorry mate.
(ps. you sound like a good laugh, and for what its worth, dreads or no dreads, your personality is the thing that comes accross at the interview stage.)
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blueplume...
If you were to meet the people on the course, I think you would find that they are all very down to earth people who are ALL very grateful for the opportunity they have been given to 'fast track' to the right hand seat of a jet.
No-one thinks that this makes them better than anyone else, if anything, it makes us appreciate more what other people have had to go through to get to the stage where we will be in a few months time.
I'd like to see evidence of 'High horsing' if you have any. If you do, I apologise.
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If you were to meet the people on the course, I think you would find that they are all very down to earth people who are ALL very grateful for the opportunity they have been given to 'fast track' to the right hand seat of a jet.
No-one thinks that this makes them better than anyone else, if anything, it makes us appreciate more what other people have had to go through to get to the stage where we will be in a few months time.
I'd like to see evidence of 'High horsing' if you have any. If you do, I apologise.
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On the contary, I have made it very well, thank you. And I wasn't having a dig at any correspendent whatsoever, just stating a view. Too many think that all comments that don't agree with the general view are from "bitter, twisted" individuals. You're wrong.
And when I say that I've met pilots I mean that I have also seen them operate. Do you think I'm going to comment on their flying abilities if I haven't seen them in action? Give me some credit.
I'm not saying that any of you are bad pilots, just that some who go through approved schemes think that they are better all-round pilots because they do so. What people learn is down to them and how much they go into the background knowledge. And how much real life practice they get. You can have the best theory training in the world but if you don't put it to use it doesn't help, does it?
So, with all due respect, maybe some of you need to get of your high horses and take a few hints from people who have been doing it for a while longer. Just a thought, it's up to you.
And when I say that I've met pilots I mean that I have also seen them operate. Do you think I'm going to comment on their flying abilities if I haven't seen them in action? Give me some credit.
I'm not saying that any of you are bad pilots, just that some who go through approved schemes think that they are better all-round pilots because they do so. What people learn is down to them and how much they go into the background knowledge. And how much real life practice they get. You can have the best theory training in the world but if you don't put it to use it doesn't help, does it?
So, with all due respect, maybe some of you need to get of your high horses and take a few hints from people who have been doing it for a while longer. Just a thought, it's up to you.
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ah, it appears that 'blueplume' and 'el dorado' are the same person...
my previous post was in response to the above post by el dorado, posted by blueplume... if that makes any sense!!
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my previous post was in response to the above post by el dorado, posted by blueplume... if that makes any sense!!
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el dorado,
not really sure why you made your initial post on here;
"I don't know anything about CTC etc. because I never had anything to do with it"
but seeing as you did, don't worry, we already know that...
"not every one that comes out of big training schools and goes straight to the right seat is necessarily better than those who don't."
I doubt you will find any of us claiming to be universally better than all pilots who trainied/are training at smaller schools. I'm having enough fun and games getting an NZ PPL!
Either way I still look at this as an opportunity of a lifetime and feel lucky to be here - many would love to take my place.
perhaps you could start an interesting new thread "all big training schools are pants"?
or maybe you should have left it at
"I don't know anything"
mo
not really sure why you made your initial post on here;
"I don't know anything about CTC etc. because I never had anything to do with it"
but seeing as you did, don't worry, we already know that...
"not every one that comes out of big training schools and goes straight to the right seat is necessarily better than those who don't."
I doubt you will find any of us claiming to be universally better than all pilots who trainied/are training at smaller schools. I'm having enough fun and games getting an NZ PPL!
Either way I still look at this as an opportunity of a lifetime and feel lucky to be here - many would love to take my place.
perhaps you could start an interesting new thread "all big training schools are pants"?
or maybe you should have left it at
"I don't know anything"
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No secrets as far I'm concerned. Just thought I'd better stick to the first name so it doesn't confuse everybody. Enjoy.
And why should I leave it at anything at all? This is a forum for all opinions, not only yours.
And why should I leave it at anything at all? This is a forum for all opinions, not only yours.
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Air Jamaica,
I would by no means suggest that you should be forced to conform to anything you don't want to. But for the purposes of the interview I would definitely say get rid of the dreads, when I went through selection we were told about one guy who had a facial piercnig (I think it was a nose stud...it's been a while) and he was asked to take it out, something about the way you'd look to passengers. So I would suggest getting a haircut for the interviews, you can always grow them back once you get in, just get your foot in the door first.
El Dorado,
You are most certainly welcome to put your view across, and I have no doubt that a couple of the many pilots CTC train do need to step down from their high horses, along with a few other pilots from other training backgrounds. It is the nature of this profession that there will be those who think that they are the greatest pilot to have ever lived but I think you need to meet a few more CTC trained pilots to realise that we are not all like that. In terms of the lack of flying ability...you do realise that we have to take the same flight tests as everyone else before we can step into that comfy right hand seat? So I'm not sure what you are basing this lack of ability on? I understand you made the post just to start a debate, congratulations, you've done alright so far and I'm sure it's relieved some boredom. Maybe you should take up a hobby to provide you with something else to do rather than make totally unsupported comments about a training school you know nothing about?
I would by no means suggest that you should be forced to conform to anything you don't want to. But for the purposes of the interview I would definitely say get rid of the dreads, when I went through selection we were told about one guy who had a facial piercnig (I think it was a nose stud...it's been a while) and he was asked to take it out, something about the way you'd look to passengers. So I would suggest getting a haircut for the interviews, you can always grow them back once you get in, just get your foot in the door first.
El Dorado,
You are most certainly welcome to put your view across, and I have no doubt that a couple of the many pilots CTC train do need to step down from their high horses, along with a few other pilots from other training backgrounds. It is the nature of this profession that there will be those who think that they are the greatest pilot to have ever lived but I think you need to meet a few more CTC trained pilots to realise that we are not all like that. In terms of the lack of flying ability...you do realise that we have to take the same flight tests as everyone else before we can step into that comfy right hand seat? So I'm not sure what you are basing this lack of ability on? I understand you made the post just to start a debate, congratulations, you've done alright so far and I'm sure it's relieved some boredom. Maybe you should take up a hobby to provide you with something else to do rather than make totally unsupported comments about a training school you know nothing about?
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Air Jamaica
For my 2p worth - and I havent got a place at CTC, so there are probably those who are better informed. I would keep the dreads for stage 2 if you can somehow make them "smart casual" - can you cut them neatly and tie them back neatly? CTC gives the term "smart casual" as an option for dress code in the stage 2 invitation.
For stage three, i might be tempted to keep them as well, surely they want people with personality / induviduality! And if you say you are prepared to cut them off if you get in, you might get the best of both worlds? They dont expect you to go to the expense of a class one medical before you are accepted -so they might take the view its not reasonable not to expect you to cut off your dreads before you get in.
i think dreads will be a no no if you get in though, have a look at www.cadetpilot.com (not commercial just info is this ok?) shows some pilots out there -they all look neatly trimmed!
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For my 2p worth - and I havent got a place at CTC, so there are probably those who are better informed. I would keep the dreads for stage 2 if you can somehow make them "smart casual" - can you cut them neatly and tie them back neatly? CTC gives the term "smart casual" as an option for dress code in the stage 2 invitation.
For stage three, i might be tempted to keep them as well, surely they want people with personality / induviduality! And if you say you are prepared to cut them off if you get in, you might get the best of both worlds? They dont expect you to go to the expense of a class one medical before you are accepted -so they might take the view its not reasonable not to expect you to cut off your dreads before you get in.
i think dreads will be a no no if you get in though, have a look at www.cadetpilot.com (not commercial just info is this ok?) shows some pilots out there -they all look neatly trimmed!
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Hi,
Could anybody help me that has recently done CTC wings stage 2, as to whether in the numeracy test you are given a pen and paper or whether you are expected to do it in your head?
I read earlier in this thread somewhere that you are provided with paper but this thread was posted quite a while ago, so I was wondering if it had changed.
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Could anybody help me that has recently done CTC wings stage 2, as to whether in the numeracy test you are given a pen and paper or whether you are expected to do it in your head?
I read earlier in this thread somewhere that you are provided with paper but this thread was posted quite a while ago, so I was wondering if it had changed.
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A potentially interesting question!
This is my first post and im going to start it by asking what I think is going to sound like a rediculous question, the answer to which I cannot find Anywhere, as I have read every page of this thread and its not even on CTC's website, well maybe it is there somewhere and I have just missed it, but anyway, the question is... What does CTC actually stand for?
I really hope im not the only one to not know this!!!
I really hope im not the only one to not know this!!!
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dboyan,
nope you ain't missed it mate don't think it's mentioned anywhere, CTC could stand for a multitude of things, but i don't think you'll get asked what it means!
Wouldn't worry about it, concentrate on the more important things of selection, enjoy!
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nope you ain't missed it mate don't think it's mentioned anywhere, CTC could stand for a multitude of things, but i don't think you'll get asked what it means!
Wouldn't worry about it, concentrate on the more important things of selection, enjoy!
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Stage 3 Day
Could anyone tell me the outline of stage 3 please? Is it the group exercises first then lunch then interview??? Also, for travel arrangments, roughly what time does the day finish? Thanks
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Theres tonnes of useful information about stage 3 burried in this thread buddy, you just have to read through it all to find it, its a long process, but actually reading through the whole lot gives you a pretty good idea of whats going on, even though some of it is quite conflicting, you get the jist of what is probably true and what is generally rubbish!
Is anybody going down to Dibdon on 22nd Feb for stage 3 and staying at or near Dale Farm house, would be good to meet up before hand and chat over a lemonade!
Theres tonnes of useful information about stage 3 burried in this thread buddy, you just have to read through it all to find it, its a long process, but actually reading through the whole lot gives you a pretty good idea of whats going on, even though some of it is quite conflicting, you get the jist of what is probably true and what is generally rubbish!
Is anybody going down to Dibdon on 22nd Feb for stage 3 and staying at or near Dale Farm house, would be good to meet up before hand and chat over a lemonade!
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Thanks, but I have inwardly digested the entire contents of this thread long before today, and nowhere can I find what time stage 3 finishes, roughly. Cheers
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