Bealzebub

Yes, but you make the common mistake of assuming that the word "discriminate" only has negative or illegal connotations, when in fact there are a number of defined meanings. For example we all discriminate everyday in almost every choice we make.

If a company chooses a contractor it will in all likelihood be discriminatory in its choice. That discrimination is however neither illegal or adverse other than perhaps in an individuals perception.

Life isn't fair.

lordlozz

Does anyone else wonder why OAA offer a skills protection plan for all costs incurred on the intrigrated course and CTC only offer 40k?

Maverick83

Do CTC cadets go through a selection process before joining Easyjet as flexicrew?

Mr A.V.Onics

No, the CTC selection process has long been deemed satisfactory for easyJet. Certainly for the last 2 years or so. Don't know if that will change in the next few months?

R T Jones

That is correct, no further selection process required for working under flexicrew once you have passed the initial CTC selection process. They are conducting interviews and group exercises for permanent contracts, not sure on the details though.

SW1

Just wanted to know how much are these CTC cadets paying for the priveledge of flying for Easyjet? I think regarding the selection ofr Easy, it makes no difference to them. You pay your money, they give you the type rating and if youre no good, they can bin you at anytime. If your are a decent pilot with the personality as well, I think a temporary contract would be offered. Seems that everyone I know at CTC who recently finished have start dates ranging from January to March...

PILOTPIRX

Hi Guys,

I am new to the forum and becoming a pilot has not always been my dream. So I am completely new to the topic.
I wanted to ask you few questions in regards.

First of all is CTC Wings the only reasonable training programme? Are there no other places where one could learn how to fly?

My other question is more about the industry - I will be going to my phase 2 and 3 next week. How can I broaden my knowledge about industry?

Many thanks

flightless_bird

There are indeed other places where one could learn to fly other than CTC.

There are other integrated course (a course where you basically do all your training at once in one go) providers, perhaps the most well known being Oxford Aviation and Flight Training Europe (although there are others). The advantage with doing one of these courses is that some airlines have relationships with the training providers meaning that it is possible--but not guaranteed--that once you finish you may end up contracting for one of these airlines so it may give you a quick route into the right hand seat of a turboprop or jet. The disadvantage of this route is the cost, circa £100,000 by the time you've funded part of your type rating as well as well as the fact that you miss out on the fun flying (twins around the Scottish Islands etc or instructing).

The other option is the modular route where you can do your training where and when you choose to (and can afford to). This does not preclude you from doing it all in one hit though. It can be done at your nearest flight school, although some are definitely better than others. The advantage of this route is it is much cheaper, circa £40,000. The disadvantage is that once you've finished no one will find you a job but yourself and you certainly will not be able to go straight into the right hand seat of an international carrier.

Have a look on the web and also check out the jobs pages on the airline websites to see what's on offer there. Flybe are reknown for offering good sponsorship deals for future pilots.

With regards to finding out more about the industry, I was going to say read Flight International weekly but given you've only got a week it might be a bit too late. Any other suggestions anyone?...

ribena

To any guys and girls who get caught up the spin that is CTC (same probably goes for any high cost secured loan training provider) is the only way forward please work out your income and expenditure before signing over 100k.

I now know 8 ex-cadets that have now gone bankrupt! Most of these are working for easyJet under flexicrew. And these are the ones I know about! These are people who went under recently (last 1-7 months ago), not 2 years ago!

Or at least ask CTC at their next open day how many people are defaulting on their loan? The last rumor (it was just hearsay in the crew-room) I heard was that one of the director's was saying that NOBODY had even defaulted!

If the courts don't think you have enough income to survive on the current pay deal then why would people risk their or their parents houses! It is bad enough dealing with banks when you are arguing over an unsecured loan.

I don't want to put anybody off a flying career but I couldn't recommend handing over so much money in one go.

There are better options out there than CTC

If it helps just one person out there, here are some rough figures for someone that is single and living in a very small flat not in London:

Loan repayments: 1200 a month (With V low APR at the minute)
Rent: 550
Council Tax: 100
Phone:30
Food:190
TV:12
BALPA:10
Car Servicing:20
License Insurance: 22
Fuel:200
AA Cover: 15
Home Insurance: 17
Internet:20 (Could get it cheaper but remember on flexicrew you have 1 months notice until you may have to move)
Clothing 30
Car Insurance (Varies but mine is about 50)
Medical Class 1: 20
Hairdressing:15
Precipitations 8
Dentist:10
Water: 17
Medical Insurance: 7 (Have a close look at the flexicrew cover!)
Socilaising: 50 (I'm guessing that going out once a month would be in your mind - after all I can't be the only one who went into flying to impress the girls - hasn't worked of course)
Holiday: 25 (One 300 holiday a year - won't get you much but it is a holiday)
Electric/Heating 40-80


So all in all, for somebody with a Student Loan without calculating any extra loans for a type rating you would need to be earning a starting salary of more than £49000 just to keep yourself from ending up in court! (£44000 with out Student Loan).

I'm sorry but the numbers just don't add up at the minute - and this is before the interest rates go up. (I'm not an economist but I am sure that they will over the next 7 years!)

Even if you maxed out at 900 hrs a year, every year you will only be earning £43000 with flexicrew. Even CTC don't think you will be averaging that!

But you may be thinking by the time I get there I will go straight into easy full time. In which case your starting salary will be about £39000 including sector pay.

Of course, this doesn't include deposits for rent etc and all those other one off payments such as presents/uniforms/food/Christmas whilst at training days in Luton etc.

And one last thing, lets hope you finish on time as 8 months on 1200 a month before you start getting paid doesn't do very far.

Anyhow, for what is worth. The instructors I had at CTC were V good. I have huge respect for them. However, I can't recommend CTC as a school.

On a side note, I was talking to a EZY Trainer recently in Burgess Hill when I was having my Sim and he was saying that there was real concern over the quality of the recent cadets from CTC. (This was not about the cadet's potential ability but on how and what they have or not have been taught on the TR).

I only mention this as if CTC ever loose the contract were would all these cadets go.....?

PILOTPIRX

Thank you kindly for the answers xx

Tekor Bali

Does anyone has some news about the ATP program for pilots already in possession of ATPL?
Opportunity to be called after the course AQC?
Which are the partner companies of CTC for employment opportunities?Only Easyjet?
Thank you

JamieBellamy

Hi all I'm just trying to find out more info on selection. The first post in this thread refers to an "original thread" on stage 2. Would anyone be kind enough to point me in the right direction of said thread

Thank you!

G-TD

Here you go:

http://www.pprune.org/interviews-job...ml#post2943553

Regards