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Old 28th May 2010, 09:06
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And there are many who are in their dream job turning their 'nice blue license' into a green one due to the CTC process. Yes it is a huge committment financially. I just hope that CTC are being realistic with the quality and quantity of cadets they are taking on board on the current cadet scheme.
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Old 17th Aug 2010, 18:02
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CTC Finances

Hi Guys,

I have read thread after thread and different numbers seem to be branded about.

1) So the bond of 69,000 this is paying for the course rather than a bond that is returned to you on completion of the course?

2) What are the other costs that are incurred throughout the course?

I am a little confused between paying the bond for the cadet course and the CTC Wings iCP where as I understand it you pay for the course yourself?

Thanks in advance for all the responses . . . .
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Old 18th Aug 2010, 12:17
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iCP and Wings are virtually the same these days.
You pay your 100K and hopefully, with a little luck, you get a job at the end.

(Wings course used to have big advantage that airline paid the TR - but not anymore it seems). Neither course is 'sponsored'. You pay for all the training yourself.

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Old 18th Aug 2010, 20:43
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I'm just wondering - would someone applying for the CTC cadet scheme who wears glasses be at any disadvantage?
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Old 18th Aug 2010, 21:13
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Not at all as long as you can get a class 1 medical
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Old 19th Aug 2010, 13:11
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Ok, thank you very much!
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Old 21st Aug 2010, 00:54
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Yes in summary the CTC/OAA training system has become a money making venture in tough times.The quality of training has fallen dramatically and the companies are only training you to the bare minimums. They are using their past reputation of quality training, and high pass rates to entice more cadets. They cant afford the previous quality training (do some investigating they made losses in previous years). Eventually this will all fall over and the companies will go bust with your money.
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Old 21st Aug 2010, 01:26
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blablablabla.....
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Old 12th Sep 2010, 16:22
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I've read so many different versions of what happens when you finish the course. It looks like most cadets go to EZY flying the bus.
Do you still have to fork out 34K for TR?
Are most of the crew on flexicrew?
and the question that has caused the most debate
What are the prospects for a permanent position with EZY?

Thanks!
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Old 12th Sep 2010, 20:50
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From an easyJet training captain on another thread, posted two days ago:

As a little aside, an announcement was made this morning that easyJet Swiss have just taken on permanently (on a very good deal) 8 of the flexicrew cadets. Also, we have sent out permanent offers of employment to 37 flexicrew pilots starting 1st Nov. Finally we have announced our intention to offer an unspecified number of permanent contracts in France and Italy on 1st Jan 2011. Every one of those job offers will be from flexicrew pilots.
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Old 12th Sep 2010, 21:43
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Thanks for that African Dude. I forgot about the other CTC Thread
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Old 14th Sep 2010, 07:38
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Hi guys,
Good to hear things are improving... Can anyone give us any more details about these permanent contrats?? Are they identical to those always signed before flexicrew started or some new kind of low salary "permanent joke"?
Thanks
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Old 14th Sep 2010, 09:57
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Fingers crossed

One of my friends recently graduated from CTC and has been offered one of these new jobs with Easyjet; however the pay is absolutely ridiculous!!! I don't see how he's going to be able to pay back his training costs in the near future! I'm going to CTC in a couple of weeks with the hope that in a year or so's time there might be more jobs around? Big gamble though...
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Old 14th Sep 2010, 11:43
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I hear rumours that although permanent contracts will be offered to flexi cadets they are going to be on a performance basis rather than when people first started?

Could someone please elaborate....What do you meen when you say "Performance basis rather than when people first started??"
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Old 14th Sep 2010, 18:07
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djfingerscrossed - do you mean OAA are supplying eJ with cadets now too? I know there was talk of this a few months back but didn't CTC announce fairly recently on their website that they were supplying eJ with all their pilot needs for the next 5 years? Or have I taken the bait or just swung and missed there...?
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Old 14th Sep 2010, 20:19
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I think CTC have used the term "preferred" supplier... but they are certainly not the only supplier...
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Old 16th Sep 2010, 13:14
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Do all successful CTC wings cadets , get a job offer in the end? Even if the wait is over a year or so ?
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Old 16th Sep 2010, 14:05
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Why would someone want to pay all that money to CTC and then get a bad contract with EZY that perhaps pays poorly based on some forum comments and not be able to live due if loans have to be repaid.

Its quite amazing
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Old 16th Sep 2010, 16:09
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Well, making that choice before handing over the cash is a lot more straightforward than making it afterwards, that is very true!

The permanent contracts with easy haven't been too awful considering we're <1000h experience in most cases - easy Swiss in particular have offered quite good deals indeed.

Nevertheless, meeting basic living costs during the initial 8 months with loan repayments to make is not easy (excuse the pun) unless you've got well-lined pockets, which, after paying for part of the type rating, practically none of us have.
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Old 18th Sep 2010, 07:45
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I had a chat about the permanent contract issue with a balpa rep I flew with last week, and he said that basically the pool of flexicrew pilots ezy now has flying for them are viewed (by ezy, not by their colleagues) as contract pilots and therefore a further stage of selection is required to offer permanent employment. I think that is completely unfair as many of these guys have been flying with us for a few summers now and if they weren't up to the task they would have been binned a while ago. The balpa rep also told me there are some cadets the company does not want to employ for reasons of personality/performance and therefore this seems like a way of picking who they do want to keep.

It should be a fair and transparent process to offer permanent positions, ie date of joining but of course this is easyjet, and I afraid when you do get here from a ctc scheme you will find out it isn't always as rosy as all those videos they show you at selection/during training suggest it is.
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