Zippy Monster

This is an old thread. The more up to date one is here.

If the 160 quid is your main worry, you have some serious research to do...

XTR_Chris

I know about the financial implications ie the costs but don't know when they will have to be paid.

And I was asking about the £160 because if it is true I need to make sure it is in my account now so I can continue with the application!

Chris

Bealzebub

XTR_Chris,

I am not sure if you are serious or not. Sometimes with new posters it is difficult to seperate the naive from the trolls. Assuming the former, and at the risk of pouring water on your fire, the one thing the world is not short of is low houred pilots. There are hundreds if not thousands of people who have spent eye watering sums of money on "pilot training" only to find themselves and, or their families sitting on mountains of debt, with very little realistic prospect of any meaningful aviation related employment in the near term future.

There are many good integrated flying schools who offer this sort of training programme, and I have little doubt that CTC is right up there with the best of them, however these are programmes that require a huge amount of financial commitment. If you apply for an assesment and are offered a place, you will be looking at an early requirement to stump up nearly £70,000 as a training bond, and around another £15,000 for training and living costs. In fact £85,000 to £100,000 would be a ballpark financial outlay for most forms of integrated training, be it CTC or another good provider.

Given the reality of the market, and the combined need to balance the fact they are a commercial company with the costs of providing the assesment, I would suggest that £160 is but a tiny drop in the ocean, if you are serious. If you are baulking at this stage, it would suggest that you are right to be apprehensive. I would suggest that you spend a good deal of time using these forums to research this subject in some serious depth. If you could place all the paper qualified, low houred pilots who have completed their basic commercial training but find themselves with no related employment, in a large field, you would be staggered at just how many are out there, and just how crowded that field is.

Those licences and ratings that have been expensively aquired are perishable commodities with absolutely no intrinsic worth. For each of them the clock starts ticking when they are issued. Along with the medical certificate, they all need to be expensively renewed (often with additional training) at annual intervals. Those who are lucky enough to be plucked from this crowded field, often have to finance additional ratings at significant cost to themselves.

If you have £80K - £100K to spend on something speculative, go for a Ferrari. If it doesn't satisfy, you can sell it and get most of your money back. That is not a luxury that a commercial pilots license will afford in many cases. Having said that, if it something you simply must do, then do it with your eyes open, and do it armed with common sense and knowledge.

Once again if the assesment were £1000, I could better understand your question. £160 is about what it costs me to take my kids to a theme park for a day. That would seem a very small price to pay to find out if you think you have the ability to complete the training course, they think you have the ability, and much more importantly you want to commit to such a serious investment with all the real and potential risks involved.

XTR_Chris

Thank you for the Info, and to clear the air yes I am deadly serious about going for this! I have got some flying hours under my belt and all be it not many but its a start!

Just to clarify, I was asking about the £160 to make sure this was true in order to make sure I have the funds available. If it wasn't true then there would be no point in me transferring the funds into my account.

Sorry if I come across as being a little naive, but this is simply because I am new to this world of information and everybody has got to start somewhere.

Hezza

XTR_Chris - exactly how much research have you done? And by research, I mean willing to spend £85,000.00 - eighty five thousand pounds - research.

When I last checked, the loan for the training must be secured on a property - do you have one of those? Being 20, it seems unlikely. If you do, are you willing to risk it for a slim chance of achieving that '15 year soppy dream'?

Do yourself a favour, and close the application form until you have become less excited, and spend the rest of the evening - no scrub that - week, reading these forums. I promise you your excitement will be dealt a large dose of cold hard reality....

If, after this has set in you are still excited about the prospect of spending £85,000 - eighty five thousand pounds - on a blue license (read - a blue license, not a job) then please continue.

This forum has, without question, the greatest source of information from all sides that any wannabe pilot could lay their hands on. I strongly urge you to use it.

For the record, I was once a starry eyed wannabe, keen to get on the next CTC flight to New Zealand. Now, I am still a wannabe, but one with a nice job and no debts who is still training for that nice blue license, but not with unrealistic expectations.

coffeewhiteone

And there are many who are in their dream job turning their 'nice blue license' into a green one due to the CTC process. Yes it is a huge committment financially. I just hope that CTC are being realistic with the quality and quantity of cadets they are taking on board on the current cadet scheme.

RJS1987

Hi Guys,

I have read thread after thread and different numbers seem to be branded about.

1) So the bond of 69,000 this is paying for the course rather than a bond that is returned to you on completion of the course?

2) What are the other costs that are incurred throughout the course?

I am a little confused between paying the bond for the cadet course and the CTC Wings iCP where as I understand it you pay for the course yourself?

Thanks in advance for all the responses . . . .

Air_One

iCP and Wings are virtually the same these days.
You pay your 100K and hopefully, with a little luck, you get a job at the end.

(Wings course used to have big advantage that airline paid the TR - but not anymore it seems). Neither course is 'sponsored'. You pay for all the training yourself.

George737-800

I'm just wondering - would someone applying for the CTC cadet scheme who wears glasses be at any disadvantage?

kwb911

Not at all as long as you can get a class 1 medical

George737-800

Ok, thank you very much!

systematically

Yes in summary the CTC/OAA training system has become a money making venture in tough times.The quality of training has fallen dramatically and the companies are only training you to the bare minimums. They are using their past reputation of quality training, and high pass rates to entice more cadets. They cant afford the previous quality training (do some investigating they made losses in previous years). Eventually this will all fall over and the companies will go bust with your money.

The flying bob

blablablabla.....

stevop21

I've read so many different versions of what happens when you finish the course. It looks like most cadets go to EZY flying the bus.
Do you still have to fork out 34K for TR?
Are most of the crew on flexicrew?
and the question that has caused the most debate
What are the prospects for a permanent position with EZY?

Thanks!

The African Dude

From an easyJet training captain on another thread, posted two days ago:

stevop21

Thanks for that African Dude. I forgot about the other CTC Thread

The flying bob

Hi guys,
Good to hear things are improving... Can anyone give us any more details about these permanent contrats?? Are they identical to those always signed before flexicrew started or some new kind of low salary "permanent joke"?
Thanks

HappyLittleRainCloud

One of my friends recently graduated from CTC and has been offered one of these new jobs with Easyjet; however the pay is absolutely ridiculous!!! I don't see how he's going to be able to pay back his training costs in the near future! I'm going to CTC in a couple of weeks with the hope that in a year or so's time there might be more jobs around? Big gamble though...

Tampicotb9

I hear rumours that although permanent contracts will be offered to flexi cadets they are going to be on a performance basis rather than when people first started?

Could someone please elaborate....What do you meen when you say "Performance basis rather than when people first started??"

Mr A.V.Onics

djfingerscrossed - do you mean OAA are supplying eJ with cadets now too? I know there was talk of this a few months back but didn't CTC announce fairly recently on their website that they were supplying eJ with all their pilot needs for the next 5 years? Or have I taken the bait or just swung and missed there...?