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Old 9th Oct 2006, 17:58
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Yeah i'd say there were generally two sort of personality types, with the odd exception of course!

And you were always a special case old boy.........

Ditto the coments by BMRR and Wingover, preparation is the name of the game and helping a fellow potential aviator is just good manners and expected.

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Old 9th Oct 2006, 18:41
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Hello

Im going for stage 3 on the 8th. Ive trawled through all these pages many'a time but the timetable of what happens on stage 3 varies with different posts. I was wondering if anyone thats been down recently can provide me with some sort of idea as to the days organisation. Please

Cheers in advance
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Old 10th Oct 2006, 10:04
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ctc

hi guys n gals

With the new age discrimination coming in, how do CTC go on with there restriction of being less than 34 now stand ? do they have to remove this ? Or will it just mean that all those over 34 automatically will fail before they finish all the tests?
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Old 10th Oct 2006, 10:15
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Simple

They are a training organisation, they are not employing you, so they can set whatever criteria they like

This has been answered on here a few times before
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Old 10th Oct 2006, 18:55
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Deano,

Sorry, but you're incorrect. The regulations apply to providers of vocational training courses as much as they do to employers.

http://www.dti.gov.uk/employment/dis...page26492.html

Regards,

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Old 10th Oct 2006, 19:45
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Hi,

From my understanding, the new age discrimination laws mean that age cannot be taken into consideration when hiring, training or promoting people (i guess within reason). I suppose, if you argued that CTC is solely a training organisation and not technically an employer, and thus somehow exempt from the law, then i guess you would have to turn to easyjet (for example) who is involved indirectly with CTC and who do discriminate on age on their website (just a thought).

Whether age discrimination is a good thing or not, it's law and a fact of life now........ho hum

Anyway, enough gloom....has anyone heard of CTC not inviting applicants back for stage 2 resists (something to do with a change in policy)?
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Old 10th Oct 2006, 22:22
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When I went to my stage 2 a few weeks ago CTC said they are not allowing resits. I don't know why, but they definitely aren't.
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Old 11th Oct 2006, 07:30
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Pass Rates

Hi Guys,

I realise this has been covered before but I cannot seem to find it in the thread and was wondering if someone knows or can point out the pass rates for the various sections of the selection process.

I have managed to make it through to phase 3 and was wondering how many people fail at each section of the phases.

Thanks in advance.

Spanner
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Old 11th Oct 2006, 15:22
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Originally Posted by FlyingSpanner View Post
Hi Guys,

I realise this has been covered before but I cannot seem to find it in the thread and was wondering if someone knows or can point out the pass rates for the various sections of the selection process.

I have managed to make it through to phase 3 and was wondering how many people fail at each section of the phases.

Thanks in advance.

Spanner
Hi, I'm not able to back this up but it is to my understanding that the pass rate of phase 3 is around 50 tp 60%, and the pass rate of phase 4 is around 85%

good odds eh? ha ha, although odds really dont have anything to do with it, its all down to you! well done on getting to phase 3 and good luck!
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Old 12th Oct 2006, 08:10
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Content of Phase 2

Hello,

Any chance to get more information about the interview at EGHH - Phase 2 ?
Is that only an interview or are there some tests too ?

Thanks, see you later !
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Old 12th Oct 2006, 08:50
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Bizjets

Suggest you read through all 1447 posts of this thread.

Phase 2 is not an interview.

SW
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Old 12th Oct 2006, 09:16
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CTC Stages

To the best of my knowledge (which is limited on a good day),

Stage 1a - Application. Fill in online, wait a while. This one is simple (for CTC to select) as you either make the grade on paper or dont. Pass rate way up in the 70's I would guess. Probaly higher bearing in mind if you dont make the advertised standard then why apply?

Stage 1b - 4 questions sent to you and you have to hand write the answers and fax them back. A bit more tricky to analyse but still a relatively high pass rate.

Stage 2 - Computer based tests in the form of PILAPT software, then a maths test (could be in a different order). Figures are compared against roughly 2500 other pilots scores and then you are given a risk banding for training. I got a low risk for training but I know people in NZ that had Medium-low with no problems. Pass mark is about 20% and a new rule says no opportunity of a resit.

Stage 3 - 2 group excercises and an interview. Pass mark here has been quoted as 50-60% but I failed it first time round and passed the resit so not sure on the overall pass rate. You can be offered a retake but by invitation only and you must be close to the cut-off. CTC make it quite clear if you were close to this or not.

Stage 4 - FLight Breifing and Sim ride. Roughly 85% pass mark and a damn good day. You can be given a resit here if by invitation and you will find out the result by telephone call from someone at CTC.

Stage 5 - Not officially a stage but in my eyes is probaly the biggest hurdle. You get about 1000 things to sort out before you leave in terms of administration and paperwork, medicals, bloodtests, being measured for uniform, opening up bank accounts with specific banks at specific branches, insurance ect. Pass rate for this stage has to be somewhere in the low1% as it is a nightmare. DB at CTC will help though, she is an admin genius, which is good really as I very rarely have a clue as to what is going on

Last edited by Reverand Lovejoy; 12th Oct 2006 at 09:19. Reason: Forgot to mention that the figures quoted are only my opinion
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Old 12th Oct 2006, 10:48
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CTC selection

Wing Bound Vortex et al,

I see your point but I am sure you will agree that some of the posts on here go past mere preparation. I am 100% sure that everybody who applies to CTC prepares themselves in some way, shape or form, but being spoon fed the exact rota for each selection stage seems a little beyond that.

It is indeed true that CTC read and are interested in what goes on here, the subject of prune has come up in a number of staff-cadet meetings and the tone has generally been one of derision, prune generally being populated by bitter people (are you reading this, anyone from OAT - just kidding before the flame war starts!) and wild speculation regarding the selection proceedure.

Erm...anyway...back onto what I was originally saying, by all means help fellow cadets out, but somethings are best left to initiative. My own personal top tips are:

Stage 2:

Cant really practice for the PILAPT, except maybe a bit of flight sim? Practice some mental arithmetic for the test.

Stage 3:

Read up on partner airlines and be damn sure you know why you want to become a pilot!!! For the team exercises, be yourself.

Stage 4:

Relax, listen and enjoy!

And to finish, someone a few pages back asked if substandard people are getting in, well far be it for me to comment if anyone is substandard (I got in somehow!) but my point remains that the CTC selection is there for a reason, it is well designed, isnt there to catch you out and is very effective!
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Old 12th Oct 2006, 12:01
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Originally Posted by dahawg123 View Post
(are you reading this, anyone from OAT - just kidding before the flame war starts!)
Are you proud of that comment? Being honest, out of 10 what would you give yourself for maturity, for that comment?

Originally Posted by dahawg123 View Post
...my point remains that the CTC selection is there for a reason, it is well designed, isnt there to catch you out and is very effective!
Eh... it is. The whole point of selection is to select the people who will make it through training and to catch out those who won't.

It is not rocket science.
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Old 12th Oct 2006, 12:22
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Originally Posted by Reverand Lovejoy View Post
Stage 5 - Not officially a stage but in my eyes is probaly the biggest hurdle. You get about 1000 things to sort out before you leave in terms of administration and paperwork, medicals, bloodtests, being measured for uniform, opening up bank accounts with specific banks at specific branches, insurance ect. Pass rate for this stage has to be somewhere in the low1% as it is a nightmare. DB at CTC will help though, she is an admin genius, which is good really as I very rarely have a clue as to what is going on
I know what you mean, I'm wrestling with the bank as we speak. DB's on holiday though so I'm on my own for a bit! 1%? god i hope not ha ha!
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Old 12th Oct 2006, 12:45
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Originally Posted by wildweasel81
Are you proud of that comment? Being honest, out of 10 what would you give yourself for maturity, for that comment?
Actually, wildweasel81, knowing dahawg123 I would rate him 10 out of 10 in terms of maturity. Can you really not take a joke (which it obviously was)? I think the point he has tried to put across in his last few posts about posting too much is actually very valid, and one you might not necessarily appreciate until you're actually out here. I know I didn't at first (yes, I've endured the endless mickey-taking from others out here about posting from aboard SQ321 on the Boeing Connexion service - you learn the hard way sometimes!), but I certainly do now.

Originally Posted by wildweasel81
Eh... it is. The whole point of selection is to select the people who will make it through training and to catch out those who won't.
It is not rocket science.
I would agree that, in my experience, the selection process is designed such that it will prevent people who aren't up to the standard from getting through and on to the course; at the same time, however, I do agree that posting intricate details of everything that happens on a selection day is possibly giving some people an unfair advantage. No matter how rigorous the selection is and how diligent and informed the selection team are with what they require, if people can actively prepare for something specific that they've been told on here and are able to offer an account of themselves which may not completely reflect the "real thing", besides giving a misleading impression they are also putting themselves at a fair amount of risk. The selection process is there for a reason, i.e. to filter out candidates who are not suitable. If unsuitable candidates manage to give a false impression going on intricate details they've learned from this forum and get on to the course, they are honestly doing themselves no favours and are merely devaluing the selection process for everyone else. It's not a question of rocket science, it's merely a question of common sense.

I would be lying if I said I didn't read PPRuNe before I went to selection and tried to pick up as much as I could; I also am willing to offer a certain amount of advice in the same way that dahawg123 did above and also with things such as travel arrangements and accommodation for the selection days, and also what things are like out here in NZ. I don't see anything wrong with that and I appreciate the views about "helping fellow potential aviators" as people have mentioned earlier. I do think, however, that posting every single little intricate detail about every selection day is going too far and in some ways defeats the whole point of it.

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Old 12th Oct 2006, 13:11
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Too much detail is a waste of time. I have been involved in recruiting in many ways, including interviewing wannabe pilots, for many years. I could tell you every question I have ever asked (if i could remember them), every test I've employed, and every indirect selection procedure I've sneakily adopted, and the same people would fail as would if that information was never available.

There are no 'right' answers to interview questions other than name, age and address. All else is negotiable, and it will be your attitude and the thought that goes into your replies that will determine whether the interviewer thinks you are worth investing in or not.

Aptitude tests evolve and develop, but it's fairly easy to spot those who've had some practice. Many aptitude tests are intended to measure (or at least indicate) your ability to learn and improve. Not much scope for that if you've spent several days and nights practising the tests!

Group exercises and discussions are constructed to watch you as part of, or leading, a team. We look at your overall character, your response to provocation and pressure, a sense of responsibility, evidence of some thought going into your actions, and an awareness of the consequences on others of the course you choose to take.

Inevitably, the vast majority of wannabes are young. You are inexperienced at life, and your responses to inputs are rarely polished or complete. That is taken into account; if FTOs were looking for fully-rounded, mature individuals, no-one under 35 would get a look in - and with the new legislation in place, that's a possibility!

You cannot learn to pass these selection procedures. If a little bit of information helps offset the unfamiliarity of the situation and gives you a little bit of an extra confidence boost, that's fine. But you will be seen through if you are a bulls*tter, cocky, arrogant, know-it-all, or in any other way demonstrably unsuitable for our field. That doesn't mean the selection procedure can't make mistakes; it can - and you will meet the results of those mistakes throughout your careers. But it's still a very good filter (in most companies and FTOs), and it will see through those who've inappropriately over-prepared.

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Old 13th Oct 2006, 10:42
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I'd also add that when a candidate does a PILAPT/COMPASS test they achieve the score that they are capable of - however, even if they had another go or more practise, theoretically they can only ever improve by one point. So in that regard, you either have 'it' or not.

And as scroggs said, if you're an arrogant tw*t then it's very difficult to hide - most people like that don't see anything wrong with themselves!

Also, I can take a joke, but, the CTC vs OAT slagging match is quite immature and unprofessional - and usually only continued by those who are either wanting to get on the courses or have been denied a place. I would have expected a cadet to rise above that kind of stuff. I know it's supposed to be a joke but there's no smoke without fire...
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Old 13th Oct 2006, 12:40
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I have practised a few apptitude tests recently to determine if i was actually capable or not before i spent 176 odd on stage 2. Judging by that i have decided to give it a go but will this now effect my scope to 'learn' within the assessment?
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Old 13th Oct 2006, 13:53
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On the couple of tests where it gave a score and said you had to improve each time, on one I dropped a point on the second attempt, and on the other I got the same score each time.

I passed.

If you're not so good but show improvement, you may pass. If you score highly throughout, you're bound to pass, so do the best you can.
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