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Old 24th May 2010, 19:03
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This is an old thread. The more up to date one is here.

I am a little apprehensive as to whether or not I should go ahead with the application right now as I have read somewhere that CTC wings wants 160 to process your appliation????
If the 160 quid is your main worry, you have some serious research to do...
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Old 24th May 2010, 19:09
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I know about the financial implications ie the costs but don't know when they will have to be paid.

And I was asking about the 160 because if it is true I need to make sure it is in my account now so I can continue with the application!

Chris
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Old 24th May 2010, 19:39
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XTR_Chris,

I am not sure if you are serious or not. Sometimes with new posters it is difficult to seperate the naive from the trolls. Assuming the former, and at the risk of pouring water on your fire, the one thing the world is not short of is low houred pilots. There are hundreds if not thousands of people who have spent eye watering sums of money on "pilot training" only to find themselves and, or their families sitting on mountains of debt, with very little realistic prospect of any meaningful aviation related employment in the near term future.

There are many good integrated flying schools who offer this sort of training programme, and I have little doubt that CTC is right up there with the best of them, however these are programmes that require a huge amount of financial commitment. If you apply for an assesment and are offered a place, you will be looking at an early requirement to stump up nearly 70,000 as a training bond, and around another 15,000 for training and living costs. In fact 85,000 to 100,000 would be a ballpark financial outlay for most forms of integrated training, be it CTC or another good provider.

Given the reality of the market, and the combined need to balance the fact they are a commercial company with the costs of providing the assesment, I would suggest that 160 is but a tiny drop in the ocean, if you are serious. If you are baulking at this stage, it would suggest that you are right to be apprehensive. I would suggest that you spend a good deal of time using these forums to research this subject in some serious depth. If you could place all the paper qualified, low houred pilots who have completed their basic commercial training but find themselves with no related employment, in a large field, you would be staggered at just how many are out there, and just how crowded that field is.

Those licences and ratings that have been expensively aquired are perishable commodities with absolutely no intrinsic worth. For each of them the clock starts ticking when they are issued. Along with the medical certificate, they all need to be expensively renewed (often with additional training) at annual intervals. Those who are lucky enough to be plucked from this crowded field, often have to finance additional ratings at significant cost to themselves.

If you have 80K - 100K to spend on something speculative, go for a Ferrari. If it doesn't satisfy, you can sell it and get most of your money back. That is not a luxury that a commercial pilots license will afford in many cases. Having said that, if it something you simply must do, then do it with your eyes open, and do it armed with common sense and knowledge.

Once again if the assesment were 1000, I could better understand your question. 160 is about what it costs me to take my kids to a theme park for a day. That would seem a very small price to pay to find out if you think you have the ability to complete the training course, they think you have the ability, and much more importantly you want to commit to such a serious investment with all the real and potential risks involved.
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Old 24th May 2010, 19:52
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Thank you for the Info, and to clear the air yes I am deadly serious about going for this! I have got some flying hours under my belt and all be it not many but its a start!

Just to clarify, I was asking about the 160 to make sure this was true in order to make sure I have the funds available. If it wasn't true then there would be no point in me transferring the funds into my account.

Sorry if I come across as being a little naive, but this is simply because I am new to this world of information and everybody has got to start somewhere.
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Old 24th May 2010, 20:51
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XTR_Chris - exactly how much research have you done? And by research, I mean willing to spend 85,000.00 - eighty five thousand pounds - research.

When I last checked, the loan for the training must be secured on a property - do you have one of those? Being 20, it seems unlikely. If you do, are you willing to risk it for a slim chance of achieving that '15 year soppy dream'?

Do yourself a favour, and close the application form until you have become less excited, and spend the rest of the evening - no scrub that - week, reading these forums. I promise you your excitement will be dealt a large dose of cold hard reality....

If, after this has set in you are still excited about the prospect of spending 85,000 - eighty five thousand pounds - on a blue license (read - a blue license, not a job) then please continue.

This forum has, without question, the greatest source of information from all sides that any wannabe pilot could lay their hands on. I strongly urge you to use it.

For the record, I was once a starry eyed wannabe, keen to get on the next CTC flight to New Zealand. Now, I am still a wannabe, but one with a nice job and no debts who is still training for that nice blue license, but not with unrealistic expectations.
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Old 28th May 2010, 09:06
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And there are many who are in their dream job turning their 'nice blue license' into a green one due to the CTC process. Yes it is a huge committment financially. I just hope that CTC are being realistic with the quality and quantity of cadets they are taking on board on the current cadet scheme.
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Old 17th Aug 2010, 18:02
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CTC Finances

Hi Guys,

I have read thread after thread and different numbers seem to be branded about.

1) So the bond of 69,000 this is paying for the course rather than a bond that is returned to you on completion of the course?

2) What are the other costs that are incurred throughout the course?

I am a little confused between paying the bond for the cadet course and the CTC Wings iCP where as I understand it you pay for the course yourself?

Thanks in advance for all the responses . . . .
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Old 18th Aug 2010, 12:17
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iCP and Wings are virtually the same these days.
You pay your 100K and hopefully, with a little luck, you get a job at the end.

(Wings course used to have big advantage that airline paid the TR - but not anymore it seems). Neither course is 'sponsored'. You pay for all the training yourself.

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Old 18th Aug 2010, 20:43
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I'm just wondering - would someone applying for the CTC cadet scheme who wears glasses be at any disadvantage?
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Old 18th Aug 2010, 21:13
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Not at all as long as you can get a class 1 medical
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Old 19th Aug 2010, 13:11
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Ok, thank you very much!
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Old 21st Aug 2010, 00:54
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Yes in summary the CTC/OAA training system has become a money making venture in tough times.The quality of training has fallen dramatically and the companies are only training you to the bare minimums. They are using their past reputation of quality training, and high pass rates to entice more cadets. They cant afford the previous quality training (do some investigating they made losses in previous years). Eventually this will all fall over and the companies will go bust with your money.
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Old 21st Aug 2010, 01:26
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blablablabla.....
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Old 12th Sep 2010, 16:22
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I've read so many different versions of what happens when you finish the course. It looks like most cadets go to EZY flying the bus.
Do you still have to fork out 34K for TR?
Are most of the crew on flexicrew?
and the question that has caused the most debate
What are the prospects for a permanent position with EZY?

Thanks!
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Old 12th Sep 2010, 20:50
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From an easyJet training captain on another thread, posted two days ago:

As a little aside, an announcement was made this morning that easyJet Swiss have just taken on permanently (on a very good deal) 8 of the flexicrew cadets. Also, we have sent out permanent offers of employment to 37 flexicrew pilots starting 1st Nov. Finally we have announced our intention to offer an unspecified number of permanent contracts in France and Italy on 1st Jan 2011. Every one of those job offers will be from flexicrew pilots.
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