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slowto280 18th May 2009 21:49

Fr8Dog
 
Man, you must be a joy to work with!!! Get over yourself, will you?

Deltabravowhiskey 19th May 2009 04:10


Originally Posted by lainlow
I don't think the 747-800 will kill the 777, not in the least. The fuel burn is just too good on the 777, a whopping 25% less (Boeing's numbers). The -800 will have a good niche though if for no other reason than the outsized cargo market.

A Lear 31 beats the 777 hands down, 96% lower fuel burn!

The -8F carries 308,000# of freight. The 777 carries 226,000#

The 777 carries 27.7% less freight and burns 25% less fuel...

Point is the -8F has the advantage with economy of scale in regards to operating economics if you want to compare the two head to head.

When you take into account the higher maintenance costs associated with ETOPS certification especially the more stringent levels required for traditional freighter routes, the 777 rapidly loses it's edge with (2) engines vs the (4) of the -8F.

Each aircraft is intended for specific markets, it is highly unlikely that either will compete against each other in revenue service.

DBW

Fr8Dog 19th May 2009 20:49

"Each aircraft is intended for specific markets, it is highly unlikely that either will compete against each other in revenue service".

DBW


Nice to see someone post something with knowledge for a change.

Slowto280 Your words are crushing, just having a little fun and setting the record straight. I will think of you while I am slowing to M 2.5. :ugh:

FR8

CargoOne 19th May 2009 23:22

Deltabravowhiskey

what if we compare volumetric payload?

L-38 20th May 2009 07:01


"Each aircraft is intended for specific markets, it is highly unlikely that either will compete against each other in revenue service".
I recall that back in the early 1970's, it was commonly thought that the SST would grow in numbers and ultimately prove the dominant airplane that would noticeably change aviation's face in the early 21 century. Who then would have ever thought that it would actually be the RJ (if one even new what an RJ was 40 years ago)?

Although these aircraft all factor in different markets. . . . and with regards to air cargo, the popularity trend to go efficiently smaller continues - otherwise the Scarebus A- 380f''s success (if success ever comes) would be growing.

Need to Know Basis 20th May 2009 10:57

SST
 
SST ? That was Boeing`s idea ? If I remember correctly its name was Concorde ( the acft that actually flew ). Not the drawing !!

Hate it when people try to change history......sorry back to work after the Jet Blast.

bpp 20th May 2009 13:50

Need to Know Basis,
I'm sure L38 was referring to the concept of supersonic travel, not an EU bash. You need to get over it!
bpp

Deltabravowhiskey 21st May 2009 14:14


Deltabravowhiskey

what if we compare volumetric payload?
Get an Antonov.


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