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Good One
 

As the Human Torch from the Fantastic 4 would say " Flame On" :}

And DHL is going to do this with their 25% voting rights....rrrrrrrighttttt.

Well, they could . . . everything is for sale for the right price!

Back to the thread:

If I'm overseas and thrown in jail -- what is Teamsters position on this. Can I call an attorney and have them represent me? What about accidents in another country? Are we covered??

For those of you that used to be Teamsters tell us why you decided to go to other avenues.

From what I've gathered thus far the only thing I see is lower dues and disgruntlement towards ALPA. I can't see jumping ship just because I'm mad at "Dad." I see this as only delaying a contract that is way over due.

The delay in our contract negotiations was caused by ALPA.......

The 270 day clock is running and doesn't matter if we are ALPA or IBT. Changing unions is not going to change the time clock. We are stuck negotiating in a recession because of ALPA's inability to do the right thing for all it's members.

Here is a direct quote from Dave Bourne on some comments about the Kalitta accident in Columbia

"....I wanted everyone to know that as the new Director,,,it will not be business as usual. We have a problem, WE WILL BE THERE ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD,,,that is what being in a union means to me and should mean to everyone else."

As to the ALPA's legal help after an incident, we at Atlas have first hand knowledge after the DUS incident which later turned out to be the fault of the airport for reporting incorrect braking action reports. They ended up buying the A/C.

The captain called ALPA legal at the airport after the incident and then got a 15 minute dissertation on what ALPA legal lawyer couldn't do and no advice. Not particularly helpfull at all. Luckily the captain was ex FAA and initiated getting the evidence with the local CAA that resulted in the finding of the airport being at fault for the incorrect braking action reports.

ALPA legal might be helpfull in the US, but internationally they suck.

As to the Teamsters, the local has a lawyer on staff who also has access to other lawyers in specific disciplines when needed.

Loss of license
 

Nitty,

Don't believe there is a loss of license package with the Teamsters that we enjoy with ALPA. ALPA has always had a top notch aero medical dept. as well.

Also, what is the Teamsters position on crew leasing?

Why don't you tell us a bit more about crew leasing.
If that happens it is all over regardless of what Union we belong to.
But if you could enlighten us on how this works for an Airline operating under 121 I am ready to learn.

.......huh?

Crew services
 

Here you go...

"At such time as a single collective bargaining agreement covering ATLAS and theretofore COMPANY Flight Crewmembers (the “SCBA”) is negotiated and takes effect (the “SCBA Date”), all COMPANY Flight Crewmembers, with the exception of those retained by COMPANY in managerial positions, such as directors of operations, maintenance, safety and quality assurance, and chief pilot, shall be transferred to ATLAS and become ATLAS employees, and ATLAS shall thereafter provide qualified Flight Crewmembers to COMPANY in sufficient numbers and of sufficient qualifications to operate the Aircraft. Each Flight Crewmember assigned by ATLAS from and after the SCBA Date pursuant to this Agreement shall be referred to as an “Assigned Crewmember” and a crew complement adequate to operate an Aircraft from and after the SCBA Date shall be referred to as an “Assigned Crew.” The term “Assigned Crewmember” shall be deemed a subset of the term “Flight Crewmember” and the term “Assigned Crew” shall be deemed a subset of the term “Flight Crew.”

ALPA aeromedical is contracted out. The same "contractor" is available to anyone. Same with LOL insurance - except in the Teamster case you will not have to pay the 5% premium that ALPA tacks on top of the cost. All of these questions have been answered on the atlasforteamsters.org site.

I am not sure where that comes from, but it sounds like AACS (which has since turned into AABO) contract language which has been negated by the LOA that says that Atlas will no longer hire for that entity.

Where it comes from
 

Whale...

It comes from AAWH "Flight Services" agreement between Atlas and Polar. They plan to lease crews to Polar after the merger. It is all about certificate seperation.

What it sounds like..
 

Whale, you are right on.... It does sound like AACS.....

Sounds like we need scope similar to Republics contract in the new merged CBA (SCBA). BTW they are Teamsters.

The problem is that you are arguing a point that is in motion that you cannot change. Polar Air Cargo Worldwide, Inc. was the entity created and to sell DHL a 49 percent portion of Polar Air Cargo, inc for the block space - ACMI agreement that included Atlas services under ACMI. It is why Atlas is flying under it now. The merger is in motion and PID set and awaiting a final CBA. Whether we are ALPA or Teamsters it will go forward and you will not be able to STRIKE as many Polar crewmembers seem to think. It will be an agreed to merged contract by all or an arbitrated merged contract. The holding out of the Polar contingent that Prater will pull the circuit breaker on the merger if ALPA is kept in place after the upcoming representation vote may be a hope for your group since he obviously prefers to represent Polar vs Atlas, but the ALPA bylaws say he can't do it along with the ALPA legal department. I wouldn't doubt him saying "sue me if you don't like it" to the Atlas crewmembers with all the resources (our collective dues) at his disposal.

As to Loss of License in your earlier post, there is a commitment letter from a vendor already. Medical services and legal services available also.

You can buy services as above, but you can't buy representation. ALPA chose not to represent Atlas along with a number of other "B" carriers, particularly during the Prater term, and here we are with a number of councils initiating decertifications. Heard Midwest Express is doing it now.

Nitty - Is this how you see AAWH's organization tree ?

.................................................... AAWH ...............................
.......................................................... I ...................................
.......................................................... I ..................................
.......................................................... I ...................................
Polar Air Cargo WorldWide ................. .Atlas Air Inc ...
........................ I ................................................... I ................
........................ I ................................................... I .................
........................ I ................................................... I..................
...... Polar Air Cargo (51%) ............................ AABO ............
............................................................ ......................................
............................................................ .....................................

AACS (or AABO now) is a wholly-owned subsidiary of Atlas Air, Inc, not AAWH.

Thank's - The chart is corrected.

hmmmm.....

I don't see ANY mention of "Polar Air Cargo" on the company web-site anymore so I think your model is wrong..



and

I think "Polar" as we all knew it - is gone.