Hunter

I believe you are correct in your reasoning on the current Atlas issue. However, if Atlas can't adapt to the realities of being a big player in the world aviation market should it continue to exist? Those realities include paying proper wages and establishing equitable work rules for its employees.

If the company folds due to the pressure of a strike what have the crews really lost? They were getting royally screwed in the best of times and only the possibility of a decent contract kept most of them there. If the contract is not forthcoming they will strike. If the company doesn't respond properly it folds. Keep in mind that while an aircrew strike may drive Atlas out of business, paying the salaries and agreeing to the workrules requested by the union certainly will not.

I suspect the individual crewmembers at Atlas are very aware of both possibile outcomes and have planned for each of them. The point is why prolong the pain? A strike has the certain outcome of ending it one way or another and they can get on with their lives.

Good luck to them.

In other words, better to die on your feet than live on your knees....

I just wanted to make you aware of that. Not that anybody says after Atlas went down because of a pilot strike: 'Well, we didn't know!'. Whether wou strike or not is entirely up to you.

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There's nothing like a three-holer...

The latest words are that Atlas is going to furlough another 100 or so pilots (sounds like they bought the Fred Smith script). All this whiile continuing to hire and train AACS pilots, and continuing to make a profit. It's real obvious that Atlas managers would rather spend time playing head games with their employees, and messing up their employees lives, rather than sellng their lift and making this company a going concern.

What a bunch of losers we have managing this company. It's time to crap or get off the pot. Do they really want to be an airline or just another retired BA gentlemans flying club.

I think we need a pilot in the CEO position, or at the very least, a salesman, as a bean counter just ain't hacking the program. RS is neither a salesman, a pilot, or a manager, and he should quit while he still has a job.

What percentage of the stock is held by the employees? IF a reasonable ammount, get together with some of the other institutional investors and see what you (combined) can do about it. This has been tried with other carriers (the old National Airlines was one) with some success. But, takes careful planning.

The amount of employee stock ownership is considerable but not overwhelming. Good thought tho. It probably won't work as desired in this instance.

Good Luck to the crews when they strike.

With such miserly pay there is no discretionary income to buy company stock.
Besides, share value has been ripped in half and continues to tumble. Buy what? Operating certificate? Office equipment? Airplanes are leased!

How about finding another job? Even if it's right seat driver in a 737-500 going from Chicago to Duluth and back, doesn't that sound more secure? And isn't that about the same money, if not more? I don't know, but would that be a possibility?

As to what I hear Atlas has some big plans with a competitor, and they lost their sales guy in Asia...!

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There's nothing like a three-holer...

WHICH competitor?

i wonder why aamt hasn't announced the 3 year, 3 aircraft (-200's) deal with TNT ? basically worldwide servive.....africa, south america, states, far east etc....the schedule is posted, has been seen by many atlas pilots and is to start this month...

Huck

I could tell you, but after that I have to kill you, because you know... And I don't really want to do that.

Clam

Weren't there cases of schedules out for bidding and no actual flying happening as the marketing guys overestimated their sales effort a bit in the past?

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There's nothing like a three-holer...

the schedules i/we saw looked to be a route schedule....no times...just departure airports and destinations....it also had "atlas" written all over it....don't know much more than that....

Although I read the posts about Atlas and their obviously disgruntled pilots with keen interest, it gets a bit tedious when they have to "butt in" on every conceivable thread. There are plenty threads where you can regurgle your frustrations regarding your company. What was the subject again????