Must be nice to know everything about everything...you sure have the world figured out. :ugh::mad:

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aviatorhi..

You seem to have a bone to pick, or rather made quite an effort to "put down" other pilots, or their view points.
I don't believe anyone else in this forum believes that landing at the wrong airport is not a f#$^up. I think most of us, having been involved in this industry for as long as we have, know that whatever "fubar" of the day is, it can happen to us. To put yourself above such a mistake, is the kind of attitude that CRM was designed to prevent.
Yes, some good points were brought up. Runway lights, width, ramp, ect. That said, it happened. You can spend your free time "snickering", or you can maybe spend some time ( briefing an approach for example ), and include something that was said or learned here, to maybe keep a fellow pilot from making the same mistake.

So now it appears that aviatorhi takes a quote from a news article that incorrectly paraphrases a bootleg video, and assumes it means Atlas pilots can ONLY do FULL instrument approaches. While desert185 may have made the same assumption, at least he made a reasoned inquiry...

The FACT is that NO such restriction is in place, and Atlas pilots still can do visual approaches and make approaches and landings to runways without charted instrument procedures. As I explained twice and Fr8dog correctly summarized, it is only the internal cockpit procedures that are "restricted". LNAV/VNAV and/or ILS backups are routine for most of us, and will continue.

Ah Fr8
After 24000 hours and 40 years I am sure my experience is a bit more than yours. I aged out as you will one fine day. But never mind. You seem to have all the answers.

Do you still stay at the Royal? A real dump. We still stay at the Peninsula. Our Chinese food was better than yours. At least in my younger days

No but my big 747 and 777 did
It looks like SW joined the wrong airport club. Bet they demote that guy

Careful now, I didn't jump to put down other pilots, just what I perceived as a moronic restriction placed upon them and the overall detrimental effect that has on the skill set and command authority of those up front (not of their own fault).

If there's no restrictions that makes me very happy. Sounds more like it was a flight ops "reminder" and I won't get to do much snickering. :ok:

The squabble with Fr8, as far as I can tell, is completely related to him having what I will call whale jet syndrome.

Got just a little more than you, and 44 years. I still a few left. Not my fault you didn't make the 65 rule change!

Never stayed at the Royal in the 15 years I have been here. We are now at the Langham Place, a brand new hotel in Mong Kok and overflow at the Intercon Grand Stanford in TST. Oh yea some dumps these places are. As far as the food, not even going to go there.

What, you mean you don't like congee?

Oh yeah, I made the 65 rule change, when I was 64 and a half!

No I hate congee, it's like gruel. I am more of a noodle and dumpling, Peking duck kind of guy!

Midex
 

Has anyone heard anything about Midex? I have some friends stuck in that $hithole

Aviatorhi:

I don't understand where you're coming from. Even if its clear blue and a million why wouldn't you use all the data available to you? Especially in a heavy jet? The ILS will AUTOTUNE in a -400 for heaven's sake. But especially at night, and at an airport that might have been unfamiliar, why not use everything you have? It doesn't stop you from accepting a visual approach but it helps you maintain a stable approach to the runway. The CORRECT runway. If there isn't an ILS load the RNAV approach, or the LOC, or the VOR and let VNAV generate an electronic path. UPS at Birmingham anyone? Yeah, I did "black hole" approaches into Navy Sigonella in a DC-8. Challenging? Yes. Did I find it especially fun? Nope. How many accidents can be attributed to an unstable approach in heavy jets? I don't understand what you are arguing against. The technology has evolved to a point where we can greatly reduce the chances of landing at the wrong airport (which might not be suitable) or the chances of having a landing incident as a result of an unstable approach. So use the technology, its a no brainer.

The exact opposite is true. ALL he was doing was looking outside. If he'd looked at the PROG page of the FMS or at his ND he would've seen he wasn't in the right place. He should've just looked INSIDE once or twice.