Classic Crews ?
 

I know this is the freight dog site but a few of you on here might be interested to hear there's a possible 747 pax operation starting within the next month or so and it seems they might be looking for half a dozen Classic flt deck crews . . . are there any of you guys out there with a current Classic JAR license ( or at least operated the Classic within the last 4 - 5 yrs ? ) and who might be interested ? . . . or is everybody now on the -400

;)

If they will be looking for F/E's then I am interested, more info please.

Are they advertising anywhere?

They are not advertising yet so I can't put any contact details on here but there's likely to be more news in about 2 - 3 weeks. You can pm me in the meantime if you might be available. I'm thinking I might go with them so I should be able to put some names towards the management desk if you wanted. Like all these "possible start-ups" they don't always happen but I think there's a good chance that this one will. :ok:

Classic Crews
 

IR again check your pm Cheers CL747

Sorry for the delay. Gardening jobs called. PMs now sorted. :ok:

Interested in F/E position
 

If they have positions for F/E's then I am interested. Also if there is an age limit.

I don't know if there is an age limit on the FEs. Normal JAR age limit applies for the Capt & FO positions.

Hi IR, I have sent you a PM requesting more info.

Does it have to be a JAR licence?

I am current on the Classic and hold a JAR license, has anyone got any more info and contact details.

classic crews
 

Should this come to fruition would be very keen to hear about it as am current!
Last flew the aircraft in August so as I say still current though not with landings. Current on type till July '13

Would they take on less experienced non rated as second officers ...

classic crews
 

Would be interested........last 12 years classic PIC, mostly PAX.........current.......no JAR license........FAA...........

Thanks!!!!

All JAR operation time

No time on type?
 

Idle Reverse check your PMs

Cheers

Classic
 

Still current on the classic as FE.

I'm sorry but I think we are dreaming if we think that there will be another successful classic pax operation. I think you just have to consider it realistically:

1. Passengers hate old aircraft.
2. Even at $90 the fuel price is high and what does the classic burn, 40% more than the 777, that would nearly cover the cost of leasing a 777.
3. These aircraft are old, they require maintenance unless you're going to cut corners like some of the freight operations. What do you do with 400 pax when the aircraft goes tech., that's $100 a night per person in hotel costs.
4. Keeping these aircraft better than cat 1 will also be difficult, so even with weather issues other operators will have an advantage.

I'm sure the list goes on, but I just can't see it happening. I do hope I'm wrong though....

Kungfu Panda>>>>....and you are such an expert on these things??? You must be an 'Airline consultant". At the age of 32 I think not. Go Back to your MS Flt Sim :ugh:

747-200 pax are no longer welcome even to Hajj. If somebody is going to setup 742 pax flying that's gonna be way more dirty than Tristars - kungfu panda listed some of the reasons right.

Hmmm the Baltia saga.....

As I say centerline747, I hope that I'm wrong but even the older 747-400's are being considered too costly in China, and a swift change to 777's is happening in order to remain competitive. This applies to both cargo and pax.

P.S I am not trying to be an Airline consultant, I'm stating what appears to be the obvious. I would love an intelligent response explaining why I'm wrong.:*

I don't wish to sound cynical but this will probably turn out to be some fly by night, new start up freight company,based in a hole and little remuneration. That's IF it ever gets off the ground.

Merry Xmas and Happy New Year!

PPRuNE would need a new thread "PAX Dogs".

Realism
 

Well centreline747. I actually fly the Classic, have flown and will probably fly a few more times. What Kungfu Panda says makes sense. A classic, even the newer ones, are maintenance intensive. Those with first class IFE are rare if nonexistent. Burning 12 tons an hour raises your seat per mile cost to an unacceptable level in a standard airline operation. My view is that the classic is t the end of it's road as a pax aircraft other than for a plain charter ops, Hajj from Africa on -300 or as a STBY aircraft.

To think that a first world pampered pax used to A330's B777's and the likes is going to put up with a clapped out rust bucket and sit in it for hours on end to save a few bob is delusional. It would have to be a El-Cheapo operation with lowest prices ever offered and then it would not pay for fuel and even less for the maintenance.

Just my two pence worth.

Have to agree with 747JJ.
747 classic is finished along with the Tristar.
Southern just grounded all of them a few weeks ago.,
Some VIP companies still operate the SP.
Venetion. pratt and whitney etc.
Veteran avia out of SHJ also with the cargo ones.
747-400 I see have 2 ready in the mid wees to be cut up and on the list.
This one becoming obsolete quick also.
What i don't understand is with the world economy in such a bad state,why really good airplanes are being cut up for scrape.
Fuel is cheap now, but we have been down that road and cheated before by the arabs.
If fuel prices increase again, costs of the new airplanes quickly overide the fuel costs.
But then the young bean counter will have already made a name for himself and moved on to rape another industry.

But what are they going to replace all these cargo-400's with or even MD-11's. It will take a long time to build 777 freighters.

Looks like I won't have to worry about ETOPS for a while yet.

Jammedstab- Well the last I saw China cargo were getting rid of all their MD-11's, All of Jades 400's have been parked for most of this year, I don't know what's happening with them now. Air China Cargo have had a quiet year with the 400 and are planning a switch to the 777. You are correct though the switch takes time, particularly because of the ETOPS approvals.

I'm certain cargo and pax 400's will be around for a while, I was just saying that they are beginning to get costly and some are being replaced and parked. It is for this reason that I can't understand how a 200 PAX operation could be successful, however my youth and inexperience has been pointed out to me, so lets hope that I'm wrong.

Lufthansa Cargo (MD11) has already ordered 5 T7s.

Baltia Airlines Take 23...???

Ahhh yes, Baltia, a start up since 1989.....

Even the lowest, dodgy, fly by night pax operation can usually manage a B767. At least that will have the alphabet soup of letters required such as RNAV, TCAS, RVSM etc. Only two engines/flight crew, much easier to maintain and cheaper to run.

Even one of the 767 200ER is on the schedule to be chopped soon, major airline parked this.
Airplane is immaculate.
Not sure what is going on now.

Any news on the so called start up?

No more news yet
 

Disappointingly there is no more "positive" update yet. They say it is still "on" but I was hoping for a little more than this; like an initial contact with with some of the potential crew members that have made enquires and a time scale for the start date. As soon as they do come up with positive news then I'll post it on here. Good luck :ok:

Welll...at least Georgian Star International Airlines just acquired a 747-300 as below:

Photos: Boeing 747-329M(SF) Aircraft Pictures | Airliners.net

Ahhhh...the 747-300 . . . .easily the best 747 model, from the point of view of the crew.

Though, from an operators viewpoint, maybe a little expensive to operate. But when the hire costs are so low, there is room for those additional costs.

Georgian Star International - can it more dodgy than that?
As much as I love 747, it is over. Even 747-400 are no longer the airplane of choice.