Help to obtain non-schedule cargo flight permits to China
 

When a start-up cargo airline plans its first destination to China, I guess this gives a major headache. Need to apply for a permit now to save time but no aircraft in hand yet. Contract with the lessor will be signed within a month but we want to start right away after that. Says it takes about 60 days to obtain China Route Permit?

I don't want to sound negative but it's very hard to get Chinese traffic rights using someone else's aircraft. It's hard enough when you're using your own. Normally you'll have to start off on what the Chinese call a "charter" basis applying for traffic rights for each flight. You'll need a lot of patience.

find an agent in china to assist you
.. as for a CCAR 129 etc.. this will take forever

Chk your PM.

If you have a large customer/airline in China, have them file the flight plan. e used to routinely overfly Cuba out of KMIA using a S.A. call sign with a N registered aircraft. Save a ton of money on landing/gate fee's, usually the cost of fuel as well. Sorry got ahead of myself here, I assumed you were looking at an ACMI operation.

Starting up a cargo airline is a large task, too large. Without the legacy of decades of contacts the big boys and locals will put you in their cross hairs in a heartbeat.

Atlas screwed themselves in the S.A.market as they tried to transition from ACMI to freight. It was bad timing anyways but their S.A. customers dropped their ACMI contracts and went after their freight. Polar had relationships that date back to before TIGERS, this is one of the reasons why ATLAS bought them.

Yes, a relatively lengthy process and the initial stage can take more than 60days. Without CCAR129, there is nly a number of flights you can operate as charters.

Thanks to all for the valuable inputs. I guess this is going to be a tough one!

Hi everybody! Having similar problems with china. Do you guys have contacts of any reliable agent in China to assist with CCAR-129 and/or charter permit?