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Best Angle 6th Feb 2009 16:48

Made whole
 
make one whole
v. to pay or award damages sufficient to put the party who was damaged back into the position he/she would have been in without the fault of another.

BELOWMINS 6th Feb 2009 19:21

"The make whole remedy can be accomplished with reference to the economic aspects suffered by those individuals."

EJetCA 8th Feb 2009 19:07

anyone else notice the huge TITAN logo in the middle of the letterhead on the last email from the company?

I did. Front and center

EJetCA 8th Feb 2009 20:10

For emphasis:

Titan Aviation

IslamoradaFlyer 8th Feb 2009 20:22

It's fairly clear to the even the novice reader. The Polar position insisted on the right of Polar crewmembers to take Atlas crewmembers seats in Atlas aircraft. Atlas argued that crewmembers who did not bring seats with them to the merged airline had no right to the seats of Atlas crewmembers in Atlas aircraft. Polars surplus of crews, brought about by the parking of their Classics, and the return of Classics that were owned by Atlas and dry leased to Polar, created a situation where pilots would eventually have a recall, but if Classics were parked, no PFE opportunities would exist for the furloughed PFE's.

The aribtrator integrated the list, yet maintained that no Polar crewmember had the right to Atlas seats in a manner that would "bump" an Atlas crewmember from his seat to the street.

Hence, Polar FE's have no right to displace an Atlas FE from his airplane or seat until new vacancies were created, post integration. (meaning the acquisition of new 3 man aircraft) Polar furloughed FO's and Captains have no right to displace an Atlas crewmember from their seat and are not eligible for recall at the merged carrier until there is growth in the fleet beyond the fleet size at the time of the merger.

It is clear that when the arbitrator "suggested" both parties rethink their original positions and come back with something else, Polar refused to move and Atlas responded, proposing other options. Arbitrators don't like people who are unwilling to seek to find common ground. Since it is their field on which everyone is playing, they get to set the rules.

As has been apparent in the course of events, it is apparent that ego overruled the responsibility of representation at Polar. The losers have been Polars crewmembers and their families at the hand of their elected leadership.

It appears now that someone more focused on representation is now at the helm for the Polar crewmembers. For their sake, it appears to be a good thing.

Miami Freight 9th Feb 2009 00:08

Long live the IBT. Everything will be fine from now on.

400drvr 9th Feb 2009 00:35

Atlas Seats???
 
Actually what the Polar crew members would prefer is Polar airplanes with Polar crews.

742 9th Feb 2009 11:07


Actually what the Polar crew members would prefer is Polar airplanes with Polar crews.
While I don’t speak for the Atlas crews, I am certain that they would also prefer to have watched Polar crews flying Polar airplanes -- from a distance. However reality is that Atlas bought Polar 8 years ago and the merger egg has been scrambled. And as far as flying “their” airplanes, over those 8 years it has been Atlas airplanes moved to Polar, not vice versa.

It is difficult to replay history with the pieces moved, but it is hard to imagine Polar surviving to this day as an independent operator. And the other paths speculated about in the crew rooms (purchase by UAL, UPS, etc.) would almost certainly have resulted in the Polar crews being on the street.

This all about internal union power struggles, enabled by some egotistical/inept past management personnel. Nothing more and nothing less.

BELOWMINS 9th Feb 2009 12:39

AAWH bought Polar. Atlas wouldn't buy lunch.

WhaleDriver 9th Feb 2009 14:51

You are correct, but where did you think AAWH got the $39 Mill in cash to buy Polar? AAWH by itself generates no income, its a consumer of income.

WhaleFR8 9th Feb 2009 14:56

Atlas upstreamed the money to form AAWH specifically to buy Polar. Lest everyone forget, a certain amount of that money, had it not been used to form AAWH and buy Polar, would almost certainly have ended up in the Atlas Pilots profit sharing.

BELOWMINS 9th Feb 2009 16:49

Why didn't they downstream some of the 154 million they made on the sale of 49% of Polar to DHL to the Atlas pilots profit sharing ?

WhaleDriver 9th Feb 2009 18:14

Because, technically, Atlas Air was charged a $39 Mil dividend for services provided by AAWH. Not sure what those services were. So, AAWH does not owe Atlas Air anything.

L-38 10th Feb 2009 07:35

Atlas upstreamed the money to form AAWH specifically to buy Polar. Lest everyone forget, a certain amount of that money, had it not been used to form AAWH and buy Polar, would almost certainly have ended up in the back pockets of ex Atlas CEO Richard H. Shuyler.

http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0oGklTTM5...asAirCmplt.pdf

captseth 10th Feb 2009 13:08

Food for Thought
 
I don't have a dog in this fight, but reflect on this, everyone:

If we don't hang together, most assuredly, we shall all hang separately.

Furloughed 10th Feb 2009 20:33

Too late ..

Atlas Air Worldwide Holdings trims fleet size



The Purchase, N.Y.-based company will cut its 747-200 fleet by seven and reduce crew force and ground staff. After the cut the company will operate seven 747-200 freighters and 22 747-400 freighters.

dumbdumb 10th Feb 2009 22:29

Soooooo . . . does that include the six from Polar??? Hmmm . . . Titan leasing here we come!

WhaleFR8 10th Feb 2009 22:36

six what from Polar?

anothercargopilot 11th Feb 2009 08:55

Atlas classic fleet will go to 6 TOTAL if -512 goes to the desert on the 12th and -355 on the 19th.

Atlas -400 = 13
Polar -400 = 6
GSS -400 = 3
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Total -400 = 22

layinlow 11th Feb 2009 13:39

It looks like it is going to be "How low can you go for a while". I hope everyone keeps their jobs during this round of downturns. The international air cargo was down 22+% from the last year. Domestic not much better. And it is not even close to being over yet.


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