Let410
 

Dear All

Let me start by wishing you all ahappy 2007 may it be a great year ahead for your selves and families.

My question today is with regards to the LET410 type of Aircraft I was wondering if there are any G Registered ones here in the UK.

I know of only 3 Flying in the UK 2 with Manx 2 but they are leased and as far as I know they are not G registered the third one is with a Parashutting club down in the SouthWest I dont know the name of it all I know they operate it as a single pilot op Ive been trying to locate it on the CAA website but no luck.

If one was to Operate this Aircraft in the UK with some Avionics Upgrade like TCAS and RRVSM how likly and easy is it to be allowed on the UK register for Cargo Only Flights and will it be a single or 2 pilot requirements, any thoughts and advice is well appreciated.

regards
WA

Benair are operating two of these machines in the UK at the moment. Using them to run the mail around the north of scotland. However, these are on a danish register, but as you asked, they are currently being used in the UK for cargo operations.
Oh, and they run the aircraft two crew, and if I recall (wrongly), the LET410 is a bona fida multi crew aircraft. Apparently, it's the cheapest multi crew type rating on can do, something in the region of £4-5000.

Cheers for the valuable info, BTW the Aircraft in Wales are they on the G- registar.

regards
WA

As far as I'm aware L410s type certificate is not EASA-recognised so it cannot be in commercial service with G-reg.
RVSM is a joke, small turpoprops never making that high where they need RVSM.
TCAS installation represents a 30 to 50% of aircraft cost so many operators opt to lower MTOW in order to escape from TCAS.
It is indeed two man crew only.

Cargo1

Many thanks for your input, How can it be unwelcomed by the G register if there is as stated by our fellow Aviators that there is currently 2 Aircraft Flying Parashut jumps in Wales on top of the one I know, along with the Cargo Flights up in Scotland althought thse are operated under a foreign AOC and register.

I was under the Impression one can update the LET410 by placing aTCAS system as well as the RVSM or is that wrong info ive been given, I also know of one company that had this Aircraft (Falcon Airlines Ltd) offices registered in the docklands althought the address does suggest its a holding office but i am not sure if thier Aircraft was G registered.

Are the Cessna Caravans allowed on the G register or even the Beech 1900 ive not seen these types flying in the UK but the UK is such a large place and I am unaware of such Aircraft flying but am sure those with more info will soon straiten me out on this.

I would like to thank everyone for thier contineous help and input and wish you all many happy and safe landings.

regards
WA

The Benair flights up in Scotland are now operated by a Shorts 360 and a Metro (at the moment)

As for Cessna Caravans, well Airmed have one on the G-register I believe

There are a fair number of Cessna caravans on the UK Register, many of them being privately owned, and a fair number of them based in the channel islands. I know of 1 at Gloucester (G-EELS) and 1 based on the Isle of Man (G-OAKW).

Hope this helps

Andrew

wannabe-aviator

Don't be confused! Paradropping is normally a non-commercial activity (even it may seem to be commercial). You don't need to have an AOC to do paradropping flights. So private G-reg L410s can do it.
And as you said cargo is carried by non-G operated aircraft.

By the way, G-INFO database at UK CAA is not showing any G-reg L410.

Yes you can install TCAS on L410 but not RVSM. You need RVSM-capability only in RVSM airspace, and L410 will never make that high flight levels.

Caravan and Beech 1900 is no problem to operate on G-reg.

Dear All

Am ever so greatfull for taking the time out in order to answer my questions I never knew that we had the Caravan here in the UK id love the chance to go and see one I will look out where Airmed are Based and ask them if I can have a look at it, also I was under the impression that Air Atlantic was the last operator of a Metro III.

Cargo 1 no not to worry I kinda understand what you mean about not needing an AOC for parashut jumps as for RVSM does it mean if a L410 had TCAS technically one could ask the CAA about placing it on G reg I will call them on Monday and ask them directly about this got nothing to loose really, again thanks for everyone's help.

Regards
WA

The 2 x Let 410's in Swansea are on the Hungarian register and are curently being operated by Swansea Parachuting (Club?). I understand that they are Type Rated a/c and require Multi-Pilot crews.

2close

Very close 2close.;)

The two aircraft are on the Hungarian register but only one is multi-crew. The other is an FG model (with an extended nose canopy for it's former photographic role) as opposed to the UVP. I'm told by the examiner that this is the only single pilot L410 currently operational.

The Benair Let is away in Denmark for routine maintenance, there are no plans for its permanent replacement, apparently.

They are unpressurised aren't they, so how would they fly easily up to RVSM airspace anyway, although I guess masks might make it possible, although as is said above the ceiling is below those flight levels? I'm confused, which occurs often these days! :confused:

There certainly is a Caravan over here, kept in very good condition.

Seen it plenty of times, but never got any pictures of it!

RR

LET410's in the UK.
 

As a Pilot on the LET410 for one of the LET410 Operators in the UK. I can confirm we are not operating the LET on a G-Reg but rather on another EU- JAA member state Register. I can also confirm that the Aircraft we operate ARE fitted with TCAS and as of 1 Jan 2007 in order to operate in UK airspace the LET410 is Required to be fitted with EGPWS. Which our aircraft also have fitted.

I might also add that our client's are very happy with the LET410 as it is one of the most reliable twin turbo-props out there!!! It just doesnt break, and its because of this that its comparibly cheap to operate from an operators perspective!!!!!!

And I'm also happy to Confirm that the LET410 is Unpressurized and as such doesn't operate in an RVSM environment.

I have no doubts if need be the LET could go on the G-Reg if need be. I got my JAA ATPL unfrozen by the UK CAA on the basis on an ATPL Skills test on the LET410 so that says that the UK CAA definately recognises the LET410 as a multi-pilot aircraft type.

I hope that answers a few questions on this nice little aircraft that I believe deserves sooo much more recognition than what it has.


Happy Landings!!!!!


Pete:ok:

Thanks again for the flood of Valuable information it has been a great help and I am ever soo great full.

PETE, How about getting me a ride on that LET410 that you fly, Please.

regards
WA

petesevenseven

Just one point - L410s on EU register are those which been there before EASA time (and mostly in East European countries) and that's why they are still there. However there never been G-reg L410 and unless LET and EASA will agree on a type certificate recognision you will not be able to put L410 on G-reg for commercial operations.

Is it true as stated above by Gus, that a LET 410 type rating is only £4000- £5000? I heard it was roughly twice this, but would be happy to be corrected.

Pete
 

Are you Let410 Pete from ex Uganda? Eagle Air?

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Kitoro Kid

Salamia a Tony Rubombora when you see him!!!!!

Pete!!!!!

Have heard that EASA will have to decide this march if L-410 (and what versions )will get certificated to fly commertially. Anyone knows more about this? Also wondering if there r any openings for co-pilots with type rating on L-410 UVPE in UK.


Happy landings

lennu