The plan for Carlisle is to build Stobbards new state of the art head quarters on the south side of the airport. The current runway will be scrapped and a brand new one built parallel to it just further north (subject to national heritage as the roman wall goes through the airport). The existing control tower will go etc.

The Freight flights will initially be small or medium turbo props to service the Scottish islands for a Stobbart customer. B737 are a possibility for the future.

Is it just me or does anybody else think they've just got a nice bit of real estate to build there new HQ on, and any plans for aviation expansion is just so much window dressing??

Can't imagine with his history of registering his fleets outside of the UK he would even contemplate an AOC under the Campaign Against Aviation. More likely to look at another European state with less restrictive FTL's and a more favourable tax regime, preferably with EU funds flooding in rather than out. You would also be better buying an AOC "to go" rather than trying to set one up from scratch. Even better would be to operate under the umbrella of another operators AOC.

Could have bought Emeralds AOC :uhoh:

You can't "buy" an AOC, you can buy the company that holds an AOC and let's face it, Stobart's aren't daft enough to buy that mess from KPMG.

This was seen at carlisle today, new colours, so when is the a/c coming.
http://i3.ebayimg.com/05/i/08/6f/5f/52_1.JPG

[Quote bit earlier in this thread]70 of the 845 trucks operated by Stobarts are registered in Belgium to service some of the european contracts they operate. A few others operate from Kiev......and the rest run on UK plates paying UK RFL and UK fuel duty[/QUOTE]
So I dont think we can really worry about a box of Estonian registered Antonovs arriving in the fells. Maintenance wise they run a very straight operation by all acounts and I cant see them changing that policy.:D
If the trucks are green and the trains blue what do you reckon on red for the aircraft ?
Be lucky
DAVID

Air freight operation most likely to be franchised, don't you think? "Stobart Air operated by DHL", for example.;)

I would have thought that if you were trying to make money out of air freight based at Carlisle, you wouldn't be wanting to split the profit with anybody else....

Bus429 is on the right track. It takes a lot of manpower and time to put into place the necessary before any aviation authority worth its title would let you have an AOC. Engineering facilities, training policy, supervisory structure with people in post who know what's what just for starters. I will still stick to my suggetion that Stobart Air willl not look to the CAA out of choice, far too expensive but will pick an EU nation whose AA have a reputation for taking the money and turning a blind eye, contract someone to do the admin, provide the umbrella for the AOC and start eliminating the competition.

I think the trains are blue because the freight they will move is for Tesco (saw this in a Rail Industry mag). The freight wagons have something like "less CO2" painted on the side of them.

Most sensible (and likely option IMO) post on this thread:D
Stobart Rail is operated by Direct Rail Services (part of BNFL) of Carlisle, hence the retention of their generally blue livery. Suspect any Air Ops would be conducted on a similar basis.
Rgds
The Moss:ok:

The Plot thickens . .
 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/5315366.stm

Avid interested parties check this out!

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/image...trucks_203.jpg

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/image...irport_203.jpg

EGNC
 

Looks like they are serious about developing Carlisle Airport, mention of new fire appliances here...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/e...ia/6365501.stm

and from Stobart Air...

http://www.carlisleairport.co.uk/documents/Brochure.pdf

Yorkie bars won't be the same. So is he going to pay for his HGV drivers upgrade to ATPL...Cool:ok:

Had a night off last night, had a beer, first one in ******* ages. Met a blerk int' poob, driver fer Arrr Eddie. Now he reckons that from what ee's heard, just talk like, that the bosses involved wi' organising pleines have been going t' Ireland lots in past munths (hope t'yorkshire accsunt not bovverin thee) and t'drivers think thart t'airline is beein' sett oop wi' boggies. (Quote, unquote)

I got everything apart from boggies.

Fieldings was sold to Coolchain after the last bout of unpleasantness. AFAIK Ruben Fielding is out of it altogether. As for Stobart, WA Developments who own it now, have turned it roud - for a few years back in the early noughties, Stobart made heavy losses, principally by getting heavily involved with the wrong equipment for their fleet. The Belgium thing is true, quite a few UK operators have done similar, in an effort to compete with foreign outfits who can fill up their double tanks & tramp for a week round the UK, using diesel at a heavy discount to the UK boys. Many of us would like to see the reinstatement of the cabotage regs.

Oh, and it is possible to make money in UK haulage - I'm a very good example of how - my margins are 25-30% per load & I in't all that bright neither!

Stobart-Air first aircraft
 

Stobart-Air first aircraft :rolleyes: is a Falcon 900. Not much room for freight in that.
Registered in the Isle of Man as M-SAIR to W.A. Developments of Carlisle.
http://www.homepages.mcb.net/bones/W...ft/M-SAIRs.jpg
Hope it helps
Be lucky
David

airfreight could pay
 

Working with a Company like DHL would allow their GSA at EMA(HAE) to sell to people like the Royal Mail and UK Courier Companies and timing the conx times right could see freight consolidated at 1 point - EMA or LTN? -and sent up to Carlisle.There's already a prop doing ABZ-EDI - you could add Carlisle as a stop and do a return journey? Medical Companies are asking to fly chemo and radio freight made in Bucks to EDI for morning use.DHL Express also have a station in Carlisle city already.