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Final 24 4th Aug 2019 07:41

Surely we can agree that the benefits for new joiners and those that joined after 2015 are substantial and obvious with the old A scale conditions back!
According to the unions presentation the following has been agreed.
A 4% pay increase over 4 years on top of the index which should be another 2.5% this year.
There is an agreement on large buffers on the EASA FTL limits for standard crew plus a second sector limitation.
No expansion on Cargolux Italia for the next 4 years.
Big steps have been taken to improve roster stability and fixed off days. 12 off days per calendar month plus 42 vacation days. By spreading that vacation days evenly over the year you can effectively create a 7on, 8off roster!
Commercial positioning is either business or first class.
With the continued recruitment that opens the door for more upgrading and faster career progression.
This is just a few items from the top of my head but I would say that this is a large benefit for all existing crews as well.







hawkeye red 4th Aug 2019 11:52

Final24....you read the new CWA like the devil reads the Bible..you took the money, but for sure this one will haunt you for years to come....

final06 4th Aug 2019 12:23

Final24 = management troll :ugh:

J74 4th Aug 2019 12:24


Originally Posted by Final 24 (Post 10536193)

No expansion on Cargolux Italia for the next 4 years.




Final 24 I would like to know what’s your “problem” is concerning expansion or not of Cargolux Itaia.
Is your contract bad because them or what? I would like to understand..thanks

Procusto 4th Aug 2019 14:46


Originally Posted by Final 24 (Post 10536193)
Surely we can agree that the benefits for new joiners and those that joined after 2015 are substantial and obvious with the old A scale conditions back!
According to the unions presentation the following has been agreed.
A 4% pay increase over 4 years on top of the index which should be another 2.5% this year.
There is an agreement on large buffers on the EASA FTL limits for standard crew plus a second sector limitation.
No expansion on Cargolux Italia for the next 4 years.
Big steps have been taken to improve roster stability and fixed off days. 12 off days per calendar month plus 42 vacation days. By spreading that vacation days evenly over the year you can effectively create a 7on, 8off roster!
Commercial positioning is either business or first class.
With the continued recruitment that opens the door for more upgrading and faster career progression.
This is just a few items from the top of my head but I would say that this is a large benefit for all existing crews as well.







´Fere libenter homines id quod volunt credunt´

Men generally believe what they want to, so opinions can not be changed, regardless of the abrasive and evident truth.
If roster planning equals to strained muscle, roster execution (and reality) equals to rape. I encourage the smart cookies to further elaborate about this topic. Have fun. :suspect:



SkyHawk1985 5th Aug 2019 14:30

Question! Is a job with Cargolux commutable?

hawkeye red 5th Aug 2019 20:12

Sure....you’ll be on the road for a minimum of 19 days so plenty of opportunity to commute..😉

Indrapoera 6th Aug 2019 16:07


Originally Posted by SkyHawk1985 (Post 10537325)
Question! Is a job with Cargolux commutable?

Depending on where you’re commuting from:8 Most people commute anyway, some as far as from Spain or Scandinavia. My average trip length so far this year’s 7 days, longest beeing 12 and the shortest 4 days. Spent 95 days away from home year to date, so all in all pretty commutable!


Singer_Supersonic 7th Aug 2019 09:27

Commuting CLX
 

Originally Posted by SkyHawk1985 (Post 10537325)
Question! Is a job with Cargolux commutable?

Hi, my experience is, commuting works fine. The majority of colleagues commutes by car. Mostly we are talking about 3-4 hours of driving. Some even commute towards Munich area by car (~5hrs).
My view is, with the new CWA now signed the conditions for new entries will be acceptable again moneywise. Hopefully that will result in more people joining, eliminating chaotic rostering due to lack of pilots. The companie’s network, airplane, maintenance and colleagues are really remarkable.
I hope I could help you, answering your question, good luck!

ray cosmic 8th Aug 2019 09:20


Originally Posted by J74 (Post 10536386)


Final 24 I would like to know what’s your “problem” is concerning expansion or not of Cargolux Itaia.
Is your contract bad because them or what? I would like to understand..thanks

ICV was started for a variety of reasons, but one of the largest benefits for the company was the potential to undercut CLX conditions. Nothing against the people, just the facts. It would be good if you guys would unionise and not be the "low-cost", second rate Cargolux.

michael93 4th Sep 2019 18:03

new cwa
 
Good evening guys,
I am looking at the adverts, reading through the forum here, and would like to ask, as its already one month since last post, any update on new CWA?
Do you think it would be really possible to make with use of AL and maybe some of the part time options to get comfortable 7 ON 8 OFF roster?
Thanks for honest ideas, anything what shows me some more light about the cargolux would be appreciated.

gene88 9th Sep 2019 15:34

Is that the same also for CVI?

hawkeye red 10th Sep 2019 07:17

ICV was originally started to gain traffic rights to Japan...nothing else. Then the "Wingman" was put in charge and the rest is history.....

hawkeye red 10th Sep 2019 07:21


Originally Posted by Couchpotatoe (Post 10565666)
CWA has been signed until 2022!
Formerly known "B-Scale" eliminated as of 1. January 2020, meaning same off-days as everybody else, pay adjusted to former levels + previous experience will be credited.
New rostering (12 monthly rosters instead of 13 28-day-rosters), off day scheme changed to 7 consecutive days off + 5 flexible off days (6 times per year these days will be fixed and cannot be moved by the company).
One week on and one week off should be easily possible with a 20% parttime option, BUT, 3-year waiting period for new joiners to be entitled to part-time.

...don't forget that you can now position onboard the same aircraft for 18 hours after the first flightduty, thereby eliminating all the nice layovers in the Middle East and Baku....and that you now have 5 floating days instead of 3, thereby effectively allowing crew control to keep you on the road for almost 3 weeks....and that you still have to check your roster on an off day, even if an off day is defined as "a day without duty"....and I could go on and on and on....

Falling_Penguin 13th Sep 2019 08:19

Please do go on and on, interested to hear it.

ufon 13th Sep 2019 10:19

Hi guys,

is it possible to see how a FO roster looks like? How much is net salary with the new contract?

thank you ufon

hawkeye red 13th Sep 2019 12:14

No, that’s not possible, the reason being that from the time the roster is issued it will change 25-30 times before your flight - often 4-5 times on the day before your first duty.

ufon 13th Sep 2019 18:42

Thank you for the answer. this means that if I am not living in Lux it will be very hard for me to plan my life and see my family, am I right?
I was curious if commuting is a real possibility, but from what I saw on this forum, it is very hard...

Indrapoera 15th Sep 2019 08:42


Originally Posted by ufon (Post 10569325)
Thank you for the answer. this means that if I am not living in Lux it will be very hard for me to plan my life and see my family, am I right?
I was curious if commuting is a real possibility, but from what I saw on this forum, it is very hard...


No that’s not true, you should have read a few posts back;)
The majority of colleagues are commuting (mostly to Bel. Ned, Ger, Aust. Swi) and this works out well for most of us. I’m on full time and have spent an average of 13 days on the road per month so far this year, average trip lenth 7,5 days, making commuting pretty doable.

Don’t be misleaded by what a few people say on pprune. True, roster changes get on everyones nerves and it’s definitely not all roses here, but all in all it’s still a good deal, especially now with new joiners basically getting the “old” contract again (B-scale gone).

ufon 16th Sep 2019 13:16

Hi Indrapoera,

than you for your message, I am happy to hear that commuting is a real option.
I think I will give a try :)
If it is not a secret, how much should I expect as salary (after tax)?


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