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FAA fit / JAR unfit 13th Jul 2005 12:24

Brainstorming for building a small business.. freight
 
Hi all!!

I am begining to get all kind of information for a business plan that I will like to bring to reality.

I want to start a small business with a Cessna 206, carrying small packages, documents, etc...

Please, post any idea that comes to your head, commercial, product innovation, pricing, operations, services, costs reductions, .. etc...

Thanks

Stratocaster 13th Jul 2005 12:40

...would you like French fries with that ?
:}

CR2 13th Jul 2005 12:47

You're not asking for much are you?

Contracting for FEDEX perhaps?

FAA fit / JAR unfit 14th Jul 2005 12:17

Thanks guys!!
 
Thanks Mr. Strato (you better change your strings and use a tuner for that strat)..:yuk:
French fries with ketchup will be fine!! :}

I know Iīm asking for too much, but they are just ideas...:ok:

Flying Mechanic 18th Jul 2005 11:30

In my Engineer days , I worked for Maint co, they had one of the Mechanics flying around the place( in a Comanchee) picking up Aircraft spare parts usually for AOG aircraft. Go to a 10 aircraft maint company's and offer then your product.........you never know.
I used to fly a 206 from PNG to Oz with a full payload of Crayfish...good bucks in that.
The other one is filling your 206 with Gourmet food from Harrods and flying to the french riveira, so all the trendy french can say they have Harrods food delivered to them fresh from london!
Food for thought!
Cheers FM

redsnail 18th Jul 2005 19:39

I used to do night freight in a Shed.

The biggest worry I can see is flying in winter if the a/c has no de-ice/anti-ice gear on it. It won't take long to ice up and that'll lead to all sorts of bother.

You should be able to get ~500kg of payload in it and ~2 hours worth of fuel. Whether or not this will be enough is another question.

I used to fly the C206 and C207 in the outback of Australia. (No ice to worry about)

FAA fit / JAR unfit 19th Jul 2005 12:22

Thanks a lot guys for sharing your freighting experiences in this forum..

Redsnail.. from your comments, I will definitely consider anti/de-icing equipment..

A Flying mechanic with the spare parts on board itīs maybe what some companies might need.. Good idea about the spares and the Gourmet freight (Iīll keep that one, people might like fresh gourmet food at any time)!!

Thanks!! I hope to get more ideas from freighter people involved here.. never know.. maybe some day I end up contracting a few pilots, besides myself:ok:

FAA fit / JAR unfit 2nd Sep 2005 13:50

I donīt want my business idea to die.. please.. come on keep this up and give some good ideas like "redsnail" and "flying mechanic" did..

I am going over the business plan and should end it around november..

I might begin with a Cessna 206 (de-ice equipped) or similar.. small packages..documents.."Gourmet food"..etc.. all around spain..

Does anybody knows any C206 for rent in europe?
Anybody has contacts in spain which I could reach for business, any enterprise that might need urgent transport?
Any good names for the company?



:ok:

Just Boxes 4th Sep 2005 02:51

The freight company I work for has retrofitted their fleet of Aero Commanders with TKS anti-ice system.

It consists of porous titanium panels installed on the leading edges of the wings, horizontal and vertical stabilizer, a spray bar on the windshield and slinger rings on the props.

We have a 17 Gallon tank installed in the aircraft for the system, and on normal setting uses 4.5 GPH, or 8.5 GPH on max setting.

Truely an excellent system, and well worth the investment if you anticipate flying in known/forecast icing conditions.

A company based in Florida also installed it on their 210s.

As for freight suggestions in a 206...maybe blood specimens, transplant organs, paperwork going to a centralized location - ie cheques, blueprints etc.

Good Luck

Daysleeper 4th Sep 2005 07:12

Dont forget at the moment IMC & Night public transport in a single is illegal in Europe. It might change in the future but for now its a no go.



For flying engineers around, in a 206 is likely to be too slow and have too short legs. Used to do a lot of it, minimum was a c310, but normally a Twin turbine/ light jet.

Even a turbo stationair only gives you 600 kilos between empty and max take off weight. Its not a lot of freight and you cant go very far.

The Harrods idea has some merit as you could avoid the public transport issues. However you'd probably do better just sticking it in your luggage and going easyjet.

FAA fit / JAR unfit 5th Sep 2005 15:27

So here is the situation at the moment..

Cessna 206 freighter but possible fast passenger conversion, de-ice equipped, two pilots sharing 2-3 short legs a day, around 500 kgs-leg.

Gourmet food, fresh fish, biological stuff, documents, spares...

We need more ideas.. operations, handling, delivering of goods, sales, etc...

Letīs keep it up and make some pilots find a position in a C206..

:ok:

Buster Hyman 5th Sep 2005 21:34

I assume that all the contributors so far are now shareholders in your venture?:hmm:

The AOG plan was a real money spinner at my old firm. Pick an airline with an older fleet that relies heavily on overnight maintenance in outports...5% ought to do me!:ok:

FAA fit / JAR unfit 6th Sep 2005 08:00

:E Iīll think about that share in a near future..

Youīve got to be more explicit if you want to gain that 0.5%:rolleyes:

Regards..

Buster Hyman 6th Sep 2005 08:50

Well...you've got to come up with more than 5% if you want explicit!!:p Jet Blast is a better place for explicit!:ooh:

...building a small business...
I'm suprised no-one has mentioned starting with a big one!

FlyHigher 6th Sep 2005 11:58

Hi FAA fit

I know a guy who owns a Cessna 402 and he is looking to get some work for it. :ok:

FAA fit / JAR unfit 6th Sep 2005 15:17

Thanks FlyHigher.. nice aircraft.. maybe itīs too much to begin with, but never know. Where is the a/c located, do you have more info?

Buster Hyman.. I never said 5% but 0.5%.. you have to look better.. but in that case Iīll give you a share of 0.75 for being that explicit :E

Thanks.. letīs get it up!! :ok:

CargoMatatu 6th Sep 2005 18:03

Buster

I don't think I could get it up for 0.5%, or even 0.75%:(

Gotta be more to life than that:}

May the Matatu be with you.

Matatu Man:cool:

Buster Hyman 7th Sep 2005 00:33

Yeah, but if the first shipment is a skip full of Viagra, you'll have trouble getting it down!!!:}

I looked okay thanks FAA etc, etc, I noted your error & chose to reiterate my terms!:E

FAA fit / JAR unfit 7th Sep 2005 07:59

:} Matatu Man and Buster Man :}

:hmm: What to do with the rebels?.. Iīll keep my offer of 0.75% and maybe we can raise it if the contribution to the business plan are good and explicit :ooh:

We have to get the business running before wasting the shares.. :ok:

meatball 11th Sep 2005 17:20

yeeehawwwwwwwwww
 
gonna need business plan, money galore ( easy 80 percent over planned initial capital ) unless this is great theatrics at work. careful, i might write the book before you. hey guys, keep the yarn going:D


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