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Volga Dnepr AN124's in prohibited from Operations order!

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Old 11th Jun 2019, 11:17
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Volga Dnepr AN124's in prohibited from Operations order!

Ukraine Courts have issued arrest Warrants for 5 of Volga Dnepr AN124's!

Russian Airlines Are Prohibited from Operation of Ruslan Aircraft « Ilyashev & Partners Law Firm

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Can you actually arrest an aircraft in Ukrainian law!?

As much as I understand the motivations of both sides of the dispute it is regrettable that this could not be resolved in a more mature and responsible way. Not a good day for civil aviation IMHO.
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Probably more to do with politics than anything else. There is a lot of unreported trouble in Eastern Ukraine at the moment.
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looking at them on FR24 it seems two of them are still flying but the others are not.
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Originally Posted by STN Ramp Rat
looking at them on FR24 it seems two of them are still flying but the others are not.
I'd say that some are probably not airworthy (irrespective of the legal issues). Working engines in particular are on short supply...

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This might explain the one that was hanging around at Alicante.
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The one at Alicante was there for number of days it departed to Sweden neutral country like in the old Second World War films?
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I believe Volga Dnepr have done some life extension exercise which is legally a TC holder privilege to sign off, but obviously it was done due to political issues where Antonov Bureau said no. Legally it is a challenging situation as Antonov is a TC holder and can declare any unit unserviceable despite all works were done - here we looking into sonething similar to Iranian and Syrian Boeing & Airbus units...
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This is indeed quite messy.

My understanding is that the Ukrainian need some Russian made equipments (I understand it was / is especially true for the 225) and similarly the Russian are in need of Ukrainian parts (especially true for the engines I believe).

I would hope cooler heads will prevail but not too optimistic 🤔
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looking at the five frames concerned

RA-82068 arrived in Perm on 14th November 2018.
RA-82045 is in Leipzig and has not flown since 13th January 2019.
RA-82046 was flying in defiance of the order but has not flown since it arrived in Johor Bahru on the 13th June.
RA-82078 was flying in defiance of the order but has not flown since it arrived in Huntsville on 26th June.
RA-82077 was flying in defiance of the order but has not flown since it arrived in Houston on the 29th June.
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Originally Posted by atakacs
Can you actually arrest an aircraft in Ukrainian law!?

As much as I understand the motivations of both sides of the dispute it is regrettable that this could not be resolved in a more mature and responsible way. Not a good day for civil aviation IMHO.
My sister used to go and arrest ships, I would imagine it wold be a similar thing.
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An124

Yes, it can be done. I was on a 124 that was arrested, ("seized"), in Brussels due to a dispute between a Cypriot company and the UA Government. It was held for quite some time. Even though Antonov Airlines was/is a separate commercial company, ADB, the parent organisation, was a Government entity, therefore the aeroplanes were Government property and fair game for seizure. it had happened to an aeroplane at Goose Bay previously.
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Whats the latest are they flying again...
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Just got wind of this - looks like it might be more complicated than just ADs.

Does it relate to the North Pole spat in April?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...aine-conflict/
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it seems that three of them are flying again, indeed and RA82078 is apparently in Prestwick today. has the spat been sorted?
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Bit of thread drift but I understand that one an124 was destroyed by rpg fire in Libya a few days ago?
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Originally Posted by atakacs
Bit of thread drift but I understand that one an124 was destroyed by rpg fire in Libya a few days ago?
GNA?s four-engined cargo aircraft destroyed! ? IWN
A few basic details here but not apparently a Volga Dnepr aircraft.
Hope it helps
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It was one of the two purchased by Libya.
The other one is currently in Ukraine and apparently refurbished into fly worthy status.
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RA82042 was in Stavanger this weekend, went back to DME yesterday.
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