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West Atlantic 737-800 Freighters

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Old 14th Jan 2018, 10:22
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Hello,

I am a DEC at West Atlantic and have experienced the good and bad of the airline. I have worked at various airlines and have to say that all DEC gigs have a sting in the tail. There are downsides to them all, otherwise these airlines would not be so desperate for skippers. I wish I had managed to get myself into a career airline but never did.

West Atlantic, does have the upside of WOWO which is a massive selling point. It also has major downsides, compared to any of the airlines I have worked for. Night cargo, is not for all and the hours are exhausting. Some duties are easy ( two sectors) but often the airline seems to be packing in brutal four sector days with minimum rest. The company is growing but is haemorrhaging money and it just can’t continue like this. West Atlantic, also seem to be willing to tolerate standards from some its pilots and managers that no airline I know of would accept. Pay is substandard, but I knew that before I joined. While I don’t regret coming here, I have not recommended it to friends.

As for this bizarre idea of confiscating half of my leave, paying me half price for it then telling me that my leave will now be granted on days off.......who thought that out? I have no idea who has come up with this idea and I’m not sure what is driving it. WOWO, seems to have been a failed attempt to increase crewing numbers. The “lifestyle” deal has not attracted enough crew to cover the companies worrying growth strategy. This means I’ve not been able to get most of my leave and the company have been forced to buy it back for a premium rate, not what I was after, but still, sufferable. The proposed deal seems to be a first step towards repealing WOWO, which given any market downturn I’m sure the company would do.

Pointless Albatross, touches on co-pilots failing upgrades. This is another unique feature of this airline. Some of the co-pilots are greenhorns, but others seem to have thousands of hours on type with other airlines and many seem to be have been former Captain’s with WA, on the prop fleet. Now, given the desperation for crew, one would think that that WA, would give them training to requirements, promote them and recruit new co-pilots. Then, I could keep my leave and they would not be relying on DEC’s. Instead, the experienced co-pilots seem to either not get a look in or fail the sim. In my experience, high sim failure rates are not a sign of a healthy training department and are not indicative of high standards within the airline. I have failed a TR, myself on a Banderainte many years ago, thanks to awful training. I know how it feels to fail and never struggled before or after that. Another airline I worked for also had high failure rates with only office Poodles getting through. Only after a change in flight crew management was this problem sorted out once and for all.

Or maybe WA, are just seeking to cut costs, recruit DEC’s only, avoid the costs associated with upgrades and introduce a work intensification program by cutting leave. That will not work either as guys like me will walk. They are snookering the company.

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Old 14th Jan 2018, 16:00
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What days to the WOWO start?
And do you do 8/6 or 7/7 e.g. what time do you finish on your last working day is at pm day 7 or early hours day 8
And with 28 days leave how many days off inc leave did/do you get in a year
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Old 16th Jan 2018, 09:09
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Pointless Albatross, touches on co-pilots failing upgrades. This is another unique feature of this airline.


In my experience, high sim failure rates are not a sign of a healthy training department and are not indicative of high standards within the airline

Another airline I worked for also had high failure rates with only office Poodles getting through.

Hardly a unique feature then is it.....or do you not think your statements are contradictory.

Using open forums to air grievances is never a good idea, frequently damaging and never gives a balanced view.
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Old 16th Jan 2018, 13:26
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You are right of course, it would seem that I contradicted myself in using the word “unique.” Regrettable perhaps? A friend recently failed an upgrade at Cathay. I am told this is “normal” there, so WA, is not unique. However much of my experience is gained at an airline that was frequently audited by the local authority. They wanted to make sure tests were carried out properly and that pass rates were 90%, indicating high standards of training.

I am not suggesting that tests and training are not carried out correctly and do not wish to discuss upgrades as they are emotive for many. My only grievances are with the proposed leave changes and yes, they will probably be better dealt with by BALPA.
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Old 24th May 2018, 09:56
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In case anyone is interested their first B737-800BCF pitched up at East Midlands on 20th April. It is / is to be used twice nightly East Midlands to Belfast and return.
for those interested it is G-NPTA
Hope it helps
be lucky
David
p.s. Three more to come this year apparently

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Old 24th Jul 2018, 11:34
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Anyone working on CRJ200.
Seems they are looking for NTR F/O.
Wich bases they have? T&C’s are better than the described B737?
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Old 24th Jul 2018, 20:57
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Check out the routes for SE-DUY and RIF. You’ll be day stopping in OSL, BOO and TOS.
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