747-400F VS 777F (wet, damp or dry lease)
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747-400F VS 777F (wet, damp or dry lease)
For a 2 airplane startup cargo airline I would like to get some rough figures for leasing wet damp or dry either a 747-400F or 777F.
And if I took a dry lease how much would the maintanence and insurance be per year roughly?
And if I took a dry lease how much would the maintanence and insurance be per year roughly?
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Last figures I had for a 744F wet lease were about 10 years ago, and $7000-9000/hour. Depending on model (400F, 400BCF, or other conversion), rates may be a bit less these days.
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Are there any 777Fs out there to be had?...dry or wet lease or owned by your outfit.
Cost-per-tonne-mile is the key number here...I haven't done that kind of research but I'm sure other members here have that kind of data.
Cost-per-tonne-mile is the key number here...I haven't done that kind of research but I'm sure other members here have that kind of data.
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When comparing the 777 and 744 you also need to consider length of legs. EK does fine DXB/FRA/DXB and DXB/HKG/DXB, but have to start bumping cargo to do the PVG to DXB leg, it's a little long.
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Exactly.
As far as I am aware the only ACMI operator of the 777F is Southern Air Inc., and theirs are all tied up with DHL.
Unless things have changed recently.
As far as I am aware the only ACMI operator of the 777F is Southern Air Inc., and theirs are all tied up with DHL.
Unless things have changed recently.
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@CaptainJim, were you able to secure the 2 744's you needed? If so, I'd love to chat with you as I'm looking for a 744.
@Charlie_Fox, can you direct me on where you found your data on the ACMI lease range?
Thanks gents!
@Charlie_Fox, can you direct me on where you found your data on the ACMI lease range?
Thanks gents!
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What's that old saying about making a small fortune in aviation...
Start with a large one.
There are a lot of 744/744F sitting in the desert these days, so that should tell you one of many things.
Jade cargo...ACG...World Airways...Evergreen...Southern(coming furloughs)
GOOD LUCK!!
Start with a large one.
There are a lot of 744/744F sitting in the desert these days, so that should tell you one of many things.
Jade cargo...ACG...World Airways...Evergreen...Southern(coming furloughs)
GOOD LUCK!!
Last edited by PalmtreePilot74; 29th May 2013 at 14:37.
Has the definition of "damp" lease changed ? I thought it referred to a Wet lease where for pax aircraft no FA's were provided as in the case where the lessee wanted to use their own back end personnel . This would obviously not apply to a freighter.
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