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Do you have anything to add Sir, or are we all done. My qualifications are being a good listener, being well read and travelled and an advocate of common sense. All the references I make come from real british soldiers and airmen who have worked in the arabian area, the police profiling references are simply common knowledge to those who are interested in the deteriotation of western society. The Scandinavian Approach to crime and punishment is well documented.
Good luck with your research.
Oh, by the way.... this is a professional pilots forum but alas frequented by members of the Royal College of Accurate Journalists and the Royal Academy of Children Pilots. Therein lies the rub
Do you have anything to add Sir, or are we all done. My qualifications are being a good listener, being well read and travelled and an advocate of common sense. All the references I make come from real british soldiers and airmen who have worked in the arabian area, the police profiling references are simply common knowledge to those who are interested in the deteriotation of western society. The Scandinavian Approach to crime and punishment is well documented.
Good luck with your research.
Oh, by the way.... this is a professional pilots forum but alas frequented by members of the Royal College of Accurate Journalists and the Royal Academy of Children Pilots. Therein lies the rub
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Wise words from ER / Clyde. My compliments.
Oh and BTW means By The Way.
After the arabians left London, post arms deal signing..Tornado Hawk, Missiles etc they had to pay for complete refurbishment of the London hotel rooms that they had destroyed with their ...yup,,,,,genetic behaviour. They didnt learn these things...it is simply in their blood.
Oh yes, WTF - what the ****
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I think we can safely say nobody with such a bizarre a mind as Koi would ever be a commercial pilot. He reminds me of a university chum of years ago who professed the answers to the worlds problems but knew absolutely sod all about real life.
The words 'better things to do' spring to mind.
The words 'better things to do' spring to mind.
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Koi,
Being a good listener, well travelled or having common sense in no way qualifies you to talk about behavioural genetics. Especially when using the consdescending undertones you do.
I very much doubt that you are a good listener. YOU have decided you are a good listener. There is a big difference. A conversation between two people involving you would be all about you. Of that i am certain. Just like you wasted no time in highlighting your flying (and other) experiences in your posts here. Because hey, anyone who dares to question or disagree with Koi will be talked into submission because "I've brokered billion dollar arms deals" "I've got 18,000hours", me, me, me, me, me.
There's a spare village near me in desperate need, i can put a word in for you if you want!
Being a good listener, well travelled or having common sense in no way qualifies you to talk about behavioural genetics. Especially when using the consdescending undertones you do.
I very much doubt that you are a good listener. YOU have decided you are a good listener. There is a big difference. A conversation between two people involving you would be all about you. Of that i am certain. Just like you wasted no time in highlighting your flying (and other) experiences in your posts here. Because hey, anyone who dares to question or disagree with Koi will be talked into submission because "I've brokered billion dollar arms deals" "I've got 18,000hours", me, me, me, me, me.
There's a spare village near me in desperate need, i can put a word in for you if you want!
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Are you a parent? I guess you won't be telling the stories you are telling now if it happened to be your own daughter. The man deserves to do his time in jail and perhaps even more.
This seems to be a man who knew how to play his game and still manage to be a decent looking neighbour. What he did was heineous to those innocent and undeserving children. He deserves a more severe punishment. He is lucky to do only three years jail term. I believe this kind of behivour is happening all over the world, but it is not an execuse for anyone not to be punished if caught.
This seems to be a man who knew how to play his game and still manage to be a decent looking neighbour. What he did was heineous to those innocent and undeserving children. He deserves a more severe punishment. He is lucky to do only three years jail term. I believe this kind of behivour is happening all over the world, but it is not an execuse for anyone not to be punished if caught.
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What sort of severe... punishment ? What is the fix ? America loves to punish and has a high prison population that will go on to re-offend. Prisons around the world are full of people with mental health problems being punished. So what sort of medicine should we be providing. What sort of research should we be completing. difficult isn't it ?
parent and grandparent, = yes
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parent and grandparent, = yes
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How do you cure a paedophile?!
Surely it is like trying to "cure" a heterosexual or homosexual from their desires?
I don't care what scheme a sex offender of this nature goes through I wouldn't be inviting them around to babysit; would anyone?
Surely it is like trying to "cure" a heterosexual or homosexual from their desires?
I don't care what scheme a sex offender of this nature goes through I wouldn't be inviting them around to babysit; would anyone?
Just some thoughts.
Most abusers were themselves abused, but not all the abused go on to become abusers. Almost without exception abusers know that what they do is wrong both morally and legally.
Prison is for the following:
Punishment - restriction of liberty, removal of privileges.
Deterrence of others - is this sentence long enough for that? Don't know.
Protection of the public, in this case young children.
Rehabilitation of offenders. This is the biggy because unless some form of treatment/counselling/whatever is available the reoffending rate is very high and he will be back on the streets in possibly less than 2 years. Yes he needs treatment for himself but more so for the protection of others in the future.
Any discussion on genetics and norms in other societies is worthless because he is here in our legal system.
Most abusers were themselves abused, but not all the abused go on to become abusers. Almost without exception abusers know that what they do is wrong both morally and legally.
Prison is for the following:
Punishment - restriction of liberty, removal of privileges.
Deterrence of others - is this sentence long enough for that? Don't know.
Protection of the public, in this case young children.
Rehabilitation of offenders. This is the biggy because unless some form of treatment/counselling/whatever is available the reoffending rate is very high and he will be back on the streets in possibly less than 2 years. Yes he needs treatment for himself but more so for the protection of others in the future.
Any discussion on genetics and norms in other societies is worthless because he is here in our legal system.
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Rehabilitation of offenders, and this is the biggy because unless some form of treatment/counselling whatever is available the reoffending rate is very high and he will be back on the streets in possibly less than 2 years.
If I were to lay odds on him leading anything like a decent life after release, they would be very short indeed.
Unfortunately this is the case for many people like him. so the question is: what do you do with them? The chap who said he'd kill them personally - wonderful. Eliminates at least one of 'em, but what does your family do with you in gaol?
Hang em? Sure. For what though? How serious does the offence have to be? As far as I know he didn't touch anybody so should the hanging offence be expanded to include anyone with those sorts of images on their computer? What about someone who's been framed or downloaded one accidentally while he was surfing looking for 'normal' porn? Kill him too?
It's one of the big reasons we don't have the death penalty anymore. Prevention would be the best. IMO Craig's predilection could have been spotted at a fairly early age. What to do with him at that point I really don't know. Shrinks of some description, I suppose. But punishment and pillory, as much fun as they may be, don't seem to be making anyone any safer. Or maybe they are. maybe there would be a lot more of this without. I doubt it though.
The Americans have a provision in law that allows them to institutionalize someone they regard as being ill in this way for as long as they like (some Missouri vs someone or another ruling) It might be the only other way for some of these people.
At the very least, there's more awareness these days. In the past, there was only a vague awareness that these characters existed and the 'don't talk about it' culture probably gave comfort to many of them.
How is it that the world seemed so much safer back then?
The Americans have a provision in law that allows them to institutionalize someone they regard as being ill in this way for as long as they like
For the 'Halfway house' types we also once had a large Merchant Navy and military which absorbed people who could function in an institution with other males to 'guide'* them but who are 'difficult'** in polite society.
* Respond in kind if they kicked off.
** PITA.
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This was the act I was thinking of.
http://scholarship.law.wm.edu/cgi/vi...3&context=wmlr
There have been other fairly stern measures in recent years in many countries. In many cases, it's the only way for the time being and considering the small number of offenders who will be affected by this, it will do little to alleviate the problem.
http://scholarship.law.wm.edu/cgi/vi...3&context=wmlr
There have been other fairly stern measures in recent years in many countries. In many cases, it's the only way for the time being and considering the small number of offenders who will be affected by this, it will do little to alleviate the problem.
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A jail term with hard labour which is worth his while. He looks a strong man who might be good in doing some manual work with his hands. Like axing trees for firewood or digging some coal. In the meantime, I think if there was a way to make such people sexless altogether. He should be removed from the public where he can only see a child in his imagination. Just a few severe punishment of what I can think of
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I agree, hard work and safe removal from where these folks can do real harm. Then how do we fix it so that they dont do it again. If we remember back a few decades, certain civilised western countries // states were chemically sterilizing certain sections of the population with mental health issues but I dont believe that they do this currently. Do you remember the newsreels a few years past of a Greek Island where they kept their mentally sick men and women, almost as a colony. Civilised society is struggling to cope with these issues.
I so hope that modern research and medicine will help us all to find the answers
regards Koi
I agree, hard work and safe removal from where these folks can do real harm. Then how do we fix it so that they dont do it again. If we remember back a few decades, certain civilised western countries // states were chemically sterilizing certain sections of the population with mental health issues but I dont believe that they do this currently. Do you remember the newsreels a few years past of a Greek Island where they kept their mentally sick men and women, almost as a colony. Civilised society is struggling to cope with these issues.
I so hope that modern research and medicine will help us all to find the answers
regards Koi
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