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Planet Koi must be in a far far distant universe, I suggest you go back there. You can' be serious, read the news report. CS is a sick individual and not in the medical sense. If at the age of 37 he can't rationalise that what he was up to was wrong on every level of human decency then he and anyone like him has no place in human society. To try an justify that with what Arabs get up to in the desert FFS get a grip. Its not acceptable there either, but the strong males make up their own rules and force themselves on the weaker members of their society.
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I agree. CS is very sick and needs help. What he will now get is prison. That does not help him. Clinical help may be some years off. They are only now beginning to identify the genetic predisposition to mental health events.
Most of this is nature and not initially nurture. A shame that this forum is dominated by some rather rude little boys who, I suspect, have neither the maturity or flying experience to make valid input. Come talk to me when you have 18000hrs on wide body and enough years on this earth watching good men simply destroy themselves over the last few decades vis: > Police Ch Constables > BBC presenters> Lawyers> Politicians> Lords, Chief Executives. Let us hope for clinical treatment of this tiny minority. We should attempt to fix things and not scream, shout and bay for blood. All rather immature and Roman Circus.
Come talk to me when you have seen the arabian desert through night vision goggles and the young boys being held by the adults for their pleasure. Witness the tethered goats screaming at the attentions of the local men. Come talk to me when you have had to entertain arabians on billion pound arms deals in London, organised their personal schedules in the trouser department and then cleaned up the destroyed hotel rooms.
Nature not nurture. Anyone for...... Gulf
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Most of this is nature and not initially nurture. A shame that this forum is dominated by some rather rude little boys who, I suspect, have neither the maturity or flying experience to make valid input. Come talk to me when you have 18000hrs on wide body and enough years on this earth watching good men simply destroy themselves over the last few decades vis: > Police Ch Constables > BBC presenters> Lawyers> Politicians> Lords, Chief Executives. Let us hope for clinical treatment of this tiny minority. We should attempt to fix things and not scream, shout and bay for blood. All rather immature and Roman Circus.
Come talk to me when you have seen the arabian desert through night vision goggles and the young boys being held by the adults for their pleasure. Witness the tethered goats screaming at the attentions of the local men. Come talk to me when you have had to entertain arabians on billion pound arms deals in London, organised their personal schedules in the trouser department and then cleaned up the destroyed hotel rooms.
Nature not nurture. Anyone for...... Gulf
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I love the fact that mr craig I can get away with anything seville was brought down by the same 'children' he was trying to ****
Wonder what'll happen to hangar 8 now he's gone
Wonder what'll happen to hangar 8 now he's gone
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Koi,
Is that your thing Koi? To quote flying hours and time on earth to think people may back off from challenging you? Or have you come here to criticise the reaction so you can respond by telling us everything you have achieved in your life and that we are all "rude little boys"?
I am one of those people not being very nice to Seville, and i have known him for a long time. I can assure you i am not a "little" boy, and not that this makes one jot of difference but i am a long haul captain and have well over 10,000 hours trans Atlantic/Pacific experience. I have also had many other interesting life experiences, NON (INCLUDING FLYING EXPERIENCE) ARE APPLICABLE IN THIS CASE! Or are you just banging your own drum letting us know what a top guy you are?
Frankly Sir, i would sit down, have a large G and T and review what you earlier committed to this forum. You are talking absolute garbage.
Read the post by please call crewing, he knows Seville and accurately describes what you are dealing with. Most probably a sociopath, who by their very nature will do their best to evade detection. Or are you suggesting MRI scans for all to see who has less grey matter in the anterior rostral prefrontal cortex and temporal poles? Once that is introduced we'll all be safe though Koi. Only 65% error in detection!
Is that your thing Koi? To quote flying hours and time on earth to think people may back off from challenging you? Or have you come here to criticise the reaction so you can respond by telling us everything you have achieved in your life and that we are all "rude little boys"?
I am one of those people not being very nice to Seville, and i have known him for a long time. I can assure you i am not a "little" boy, and not that this makes one jot of difference but i am a long haul captain and have well over 10,000 hours trans Atlantic/Pacific experience. I have also had many other interesting life experiences, NON (INCLUDING FLYING EXPERIENCE) ARE APPLICABLE IN THIS CASE! Or are you just banging your own drum letting us know what a top guy you are?
Frankly Sir, i would sit down, have a large G and T and review what you earlier committed to this forum. You are talking absolute garbage.
Read the post by please call crewing, he knows Seville and accurately describes what you are dealing with. Most probably a sociopath, who by their very nature will do their best to evade detection. Or are you suggesting MRI scans for all to see who has less grey matter in the anterior rostral prefrontal cortex and temporal poles? Once that is introduced we'll all be safe though Koi. Only 65% error in detection!
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flyalotbob , this might answer your question matey
Pearson Ferrier Estate Agents | Hangar 8, Blackpool International Airport
Its funny how on other social networking sites every single ex employee is dancing with joy and hanging out the bunting at his downfall .
Karma is a bitch !!
Pearson Ferrier Estate Agents | Hangar 8, Blackpool International Airport
Its funny how on other social networking sites every single ex employee is dancing with joy and hanging out the bunting at his downfall .
Karma is a bitch !!
John Smith:
"The only treatment required involves a sturdy length of rope."
You are far too kind.
When I discovered that one of my friends was involved in this sort of awful behaviour, I simply could not believe it but it was proved to be sadly true.
I could only imagine what my reaction would have been if he had done these things to my own children and my reaction was that I would cheerfully hit him on the back of his head with a shovel until death resulted.
Hanging is far too kind.
I simply do not believe that these people can be cured. How can any normal person do these things to a child?
I await the tree-huggers who will come and tell me that I am mis-guided.
"The only treatment required involves a sturdy length of rope."
You are far too kind.
When I discovered that one of my friends was involved in this sort of awful behaviour, I simply could not believe it but it was proved to be sadly true.
I could only imagine what my reaction would have been if he had done these things to my own children and my reaction was that I would cheerfully hit him on the back of his head with a shovel until death resulted.
Hanging is far too kind.
I simply do not believe that these people can be cured. How can any normal person do these things to a child?
I await the tree-huggers who will come and tell me that I am mis-guided.
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What you have said is correct. He is like that. You have answered your own points so very well. It is in the makeup of some people in exactly the same way that genetics create most behavioural traits, eg BiPolar or Manic Depression, Psycopaths, Abusive Catholic Priests etc. Always there and waiting to happen. Not learn't behaviour, instead genetic behaviour. Science is only just beginning to realise how mental illlness actually works. What we don't need is a baying public screaming for blood and revenge. If you want that, try the USA. They love to punish and terminate. If you want treatement for the underlying problems, try Scandinavia. Next time something shocking happens, ask yourselves....why did he do that, how could he have done that. The answers are all out there. Frightening how 'normal' some people can appear isn't it ! Good luck.
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It is only right and proper that I tell "koi" that he is now on my "ignore list".
This is only the second time in God knows how many years of pprune that I have been minded to do this.
This is only the second time in God knows how many years of pprune that I have been minded to do this.
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Frightening how 'normal' some people can appear isn't it
He was very adept at manipulating people and if I have to be honest I am not surprised at what he did.
I feel for his family as they are nice people.
JW.............."Hanging is far too kind.
I simply do not believe that these people can be cured. How can any normal person do these things to a child?
I await the tree-huggers who will come and tell me that I am mis-guided".
As a fellow antedeluvian I can only offer castration as an alternative.... preferably by the victim, with a blunt serrated knife.
I simply do not believe that these people can be cured. How can any normal person do these things to a child?
I await the tree-huggers who will come and tell me that I am mis-guided".
As a fellow antedeluvian I can only offer castration as an alternative.... preferably by the victim, with a blunt serrated knife.
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My heart is with your opinions on this issue but my head sees that the Scaninavian approach may well be a better solution in the long run.
I would far rather see abuse of children prevented rather than resorting to extream punishment in the hope of deturing these sick people.
I would far rather see abuse of children prevented rather than resorting to extream punishment in the hope of deturing these sick people.
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Koi, i asked you earlier but you didn't respond. What are you suggesting as an alternative? Screening at birth to try and detect a person's disposition to the illnesses you list. Like i said 65% error rate, it will take many many years to get a grip of this type of technology to the point where it is reliable. Then you have many other mountains to climb.
In the meantime pedophiles like Craig Seville will exist in our society. How exactly do you expect people to react to finding out people that they have been deceived? Take out the physical aspect of the crime, many people TRUSTED this guy in many different ways whilst he was committing CRIMINAL ACTS.
May i respectfully suggest you return to your moral high ground.
In the meantime pedophiles like Craig Seville will exist in our society. How exactly do you expect people to react to finding out people that they have been deceived? Take out the physical aspect of the crime, many people TRUSTED this guy in many different ways whilst he was committing CRIMINAL ACTS.
May i respectfully suggest you return to your moral high ground.
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Impressive Wingspan,
Read and digest what I said earlier. That would be quite ......impressive. Our genetic makeup determines the 'nature' and .....upbringing, peer group and profession the 'nurture'. This debate is very old and you can see it around in so many forms. I am suggesting that offenders should be seperated from the public = prison /detention and then offered support and treatment in whatever form the experts around the world can muster. Prisons around the world are full of people who are mentally ill. We are scratching the surface until more is known. For an example, ADHD and aspergers syndrome are only recently identified by genetic mapping. I can identify three pilots I have known over many years who are detained in prison for sex offender crimes. They all held class one medicals and had a good public image.... until.
Good luck in your deliberations. Koi Carpus
Read and digest what I said earlier. That would be quite ......impressive. Our genetic makeup determines the 'nature' and .....upbringing, peer group and profession the 'nurture'. This debate is very old and you can see it around in so many forms. I am suggesting that offenders should be seperated from the public = prison /detention and then offered support and treatment in whatever form the experts around the world can muster. Prisons around the world are full of people who are mentally ill. We are scratching the surface until more is known. For an example, ADHD and aspergers syndrome are only recently identified by genetic mapping. I can identify three pilots I have known over many years who are detained in prison for sex offender crimes. They all held class one medicals and had a good public image.... until.
Good luck in your deliberations. Koi Carpus
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There's a big difference between the multitude of mentally ill people and people like CS though. Many of the mentally ill don't go around destroying other peoples lives. You can't expect the public to react the same to such acts.
Given that medical understanding and treatment is so far away, i.e. not in CS's lifetime probably, we don't have the luxury of risking rehabiliation experiments. Neither do I as a taxpayer want to fund him for the rest of his life. So is a lethal injection a viable solution. What other practical solutions are there?
As for your rantings about desert life, frankly you've discredited yourself and I wouldn't choose to be in the same room as you thanks.
Given that medical understanding and treatment is so far away, i.e. not in CS's lifetime probably, we don't have the luxury of risking rehabiliation experiments. Neither do I as a taxpayer want to fund him for the rest of his life. So is a lethal injection a viable solution. What other practical solutions are there?
As for your rantings about desert life, frankly you've discredited yourself and I wouldn't choose to be in the same room as you thanks.
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Yes John Post 84
A serious comment
Much more prevalent than most people think believe or wish to know
I know many many victims, mostly caused within families and family friends and acquaintances .
Just posting to let people know here is a lot of help and support once you come out of denial
Mash
A serious comment
Much more prevalent than most people think believe or wish to know
I know many many victims, mostly caused within families and family friends and acquaintances .
Just posting to let people know here is a lot of help and support once you come out of denial
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Having known "this creature" for a very long time, I have to say that Please Call Crewing has him down to a T. He manipulated many people for a very long time and played them off against each other and was always proud of the fact that he "got away" with everything. He considered himself above the rules and laws of most things.
As for Check Mags On comments I was one of those people who were shocked about what came out. I even defended him to a certain extent and believed it must be a mistake. When I actually sit and consider it though all the signs were there. I always considered him to be "a bit of a perv" and he always commented about young girls. But lets face it, who wants to believe that they know someone like him, I didn't.
He deserves to rot in hell, not have someones understanding and support. Certainly not the money of the honest law abiding tax payer to look after and protect him for the next 20 months.
Unfortunately he is the type of person who despite everything always falls on their feet so it wouldn't surprise me if he goes on to rebuild his life upon release and leave all this behind him. I for one shall keep a lookout!
As for Check Mags On comments I was one of those people who were shocked about what came out. I even defended him to a certain extent and believed it must be a mistake. When I actually sit and consider it though all the signs were there. I always considered him to be "a bit of a perv" and he always commented about young girls. But lets face it, who wants to believe that they know someone like him, I didn't.
He deserves to rot in hell, not have someones understanding and support. Certainly not the money of the honest law abiding tax payer to look after and protect him for the next 20 months.
Unfortunately he is the type of person who despite everything always falls on their feet so it wouldn't surprise me if he goes on to rebuild his life upon release and leave all this behind him. I for one shall keep a lookout!
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Would you prefer him not to rebuild his life? IE be a huge risk of reoffending?
Or rather let him serve his time, and come out to build something again either in aviation or elsewhere?
Or rather let him serve his time, and come out to build something again either in aviation or elsewhere?
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Well, apart from him and every other paedaphile being put in a box - alive or dead - some solution will have to be found. Realistically, the death penalty or life imprisonment are not going to happen anytime soon.
But it seems there are few viable treatments in sight.
In Seville's case, he's got a gift for self delusion and an ingrained manipulative habit that make any sort of effective behavioral treatment very unlikely. But whatever the reason for offending, be it nature or nurture or what have you, (and there are cases to be made for both, largely depending on the individual as well as things like head injuries and other mind-bending physical causes like drug abuse) the primary concern has to be keeping people around him safe, - be it via chemical control, electronic tagging or some other means. I doubt many people would have a problem with this, even 'tree-huggers', many of whom have children too!
Incidentally, to the person who equated coddling paedophiles with tree-huggers, I have this to say - Phhhhhtttt.
Whatever the origins of this problem, the emphasis has to shift from "string 'em up" (a sentiment I share, by the way) towards stopping it once and for all. Incidentally, I was with Seville once when a story about paedophiles was in the news and he condemned the guy roundly. If I recall correctly, he said in his usual creepy, unconvincing way that 'people like that should be strung up'.
The near constant stream of news stories and prosecutions seem to do little to stem the tide. I suppose the sort of thinking that allows this shift into a world where the perpetrator believes it's all right to behave in this way also allows them to believe they'll avoid the consequences. In some cases, maybe they're even inviting those consequences. When you look at his particular mess, it's not beyond the realms of possibility that he deliberately went into crash and burn mode. This idiot was on bail for a similar crime when he was nailed in the sting, after all.
In other words - punishment may be an ineffective deterrent in many cases.
So - screw revenge, as satisfying as it may be. What's needed is whatever it takes to stop this. The offenders don't matter, their victims do. It simply has to be whatever works.
ER
Well, apart from him and every other paedaphile being put in a box - alive or dead - some solution will have to be found. Realistically, the death penalty or life imprisonment are not going to happen anytime soon.
But it seems there are few viable treatments in sight.
In Seville's case, he's got a gift for self delusion and an ingrained manipulative habit that make any sort of effective behavioral treatment very unlikely. But whatever the reason for offending, be it nature or nurture or what have you, (and there are cases to be made for both, largely depending on the individual as well as things like head injuries and other mind-bending physical causes like drug abuse) the primary concern has to be keeping people around him safe, - be it via chemical control, electronic tagging or some other means. I doubt many people would have a problem with this, even 'tree-huggers', many of whom have children too!
Incidentally, to the person who equated coddling paedophiles with tree-huggers, I have this to say - Phhhhhtttt.
Whatever the origins of this problem, the emphasis has to shift from "string 'em up" (a sentiment I share, by the way) towards stopping it once and for all. Incidentally, I was with Seville once when a story about paedophiles was in the news and he condemned the guy roundly. If I recall correctly, he said in his usual creepy, unconvincing way that 'people like that should be strung up'.
The near constant stream of news stories and prosecutions seem to do little to stem the tide. I suppose the sort of thinking that allows this shift into a world where the perpetrator believes it's all right to behave in this way also allows them to believe they'll avoid the consequences. In some cases, maybe they're even inviting those consequences. When you look at his particular mess, it's not beyond the realms of possibility that he deliberately went into crash and burn mode. This idiot was on bail for a similar crime when he was nailed in the sting, after all.
In other words - punishment may be an ineffective deterrent in many cases.
So - screw revenge, as satisfying as it may be. What's needed is whatever it takes to stop this. The offenders don't matter, their victims do. It simply has to be whatever works.
ER
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Wise words from ER / Clyde. My compliments.
It has come to my attention that police psychologists have a sliding scale of risky behaviour for sex offenders etc. The first is a single man with another mans wife, followed by a married man with another mans wife, followed by a man with a young girl etc. The degree of risk is critical to the personal satisfaction of the individual. Anyone out there know more on this subject ?
To some of the earlier posters who may be a touch untravelled...have a word with some gulf war veterans and ask them about what is the norm in the middle east ! Then perhaps you may begin to understand just how long this problem has been around and the scale of things. After the arabians left London, post arms deal signing..Tornado Hawk, Missiles etc they had to pay for complete refurbishment of the London hotel rooms that they had destroyed with their ...yup,,,,,genetic behaviour. They didnt learn these things...it is simply in their blood.
~Good luck out there.
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It has come to my attention that police psychologists have a sliding scale of risky behaviour for sex offenders etc. The first is a single man with another mans wife, followed by a married man with another mans wife, followed by a man with a young girl etc. The degree of risk is critical to the personal satisfaction of the individual. Anyone out there know more on this subject ?
To some of the earlier posters who may be a touch untravelled...have a word with some gulf war veterans and ask them about what is the norm in the middle east ! Then perhaps you may begin to understand just how long this problem has been around and the scale of things. After the arabians left London, post arms deal signing..Tornado Hawk, Missiles etc they had to pay for complete refurbishment of the London hotel rooms that they had destroyed with their ...yup,,,,,genetic behaviour. They didnt learn these things...it is simply in their blood.
~Good luck out there.
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