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FedEx European operation from cologne using A300B4's ??

Old 24th Sep 2009, 10:58
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FedEx European operation from cologne using A300B4's ??

Ive heard a rumour that from 2010 FedEx will operate A300B4's out of their new hub Cologne? Does anyone know some more about this? and if yes, how to apply?

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They may well use Air Contractors if that's true as there are a lot of type-rated and experienced crews kicking around.

Good luck either way.
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The majority of the FRA operation will move to CGN in 2010. We no longer use ACLs A300's, just the ATRs. It will be with FedEx A300-600s and A310-200/300s.
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All Fed Ex pilots are Memphis base and bid for overseas. You need a green card to fly for Fed Ex. At me moment Fed Ex is way over crewed and not hiring
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Are they going to be bringing more aircraft over here? Pity the playing field is not level and we could take our planes over to US to take them on!
When is the EU going to demand that we keep routes in Europe for European airlines?
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Here we go again
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Thank you for the reply's already. I heard they would use a300b4's instead of the a300-600. I am rated for the B4 and out of a job. So if any of you know other job openings for the B4 please let me know!

Thank you kindly again
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Old 25th Sep 2009, 11:40
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When is the EU going to demand that we keep routes in Europe for European airlines?

Well first you have to get an Airline (cargo). Unless you count the hundreds of contractors that fly the TNT sytem or DHL.
Oh didn't DHL come to the states, they did a great job.
Seriously, its a shame that a European Company will not form with their own system with company owned aircraft and company pilots/ mechanics instead of all these contracts and schemes.
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Old 25th Sep 2009, 14:07
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DHL did come to the states. They were thwarted by protectionist law. Had they been allowed to properly buy those airlines and thereby optomise them with the RIGHT equipment to be efficient and competitve they may have stood some chance of at least turning a decent profit.

Although to be fair, the fact that to FEDEX something is in the national psyche, it was always going to be a challenging market.
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Actually East, DHL Airways, Inc. was at one time a subsidiary of DHL in the US. When DPWN bought DHL, they integrated the ground operations into the global entity, and spun off the airline into what is now Astar. There were plenty of opportunities to optimise Airways prior to that mistake. Each time DHL was approached about the need to modernize the fleet prior to the DPWN purchase, the response was always the same. "We'll do that later." DPWN is the sole reason that DHL globally is in the shape it is in today. It's a bunch of formerly government subsidized postmen trying to run a global express operation. I'd say they are doing a stellar job of cratering what was once a fine company. And, in record time. Of course, one must toss into the mix the ABF purchase as well. Instead of taking time trying to integrate the two businesses in a controlled manner, they started up a huge ad campaign in the US when the ink was scarcely dry on the purchase agreement, and attempted to merge the two sort operations in one weekend. We all know how that turned out. It was a blunder of spectacular magnitude, from which the company never recovered. Your "protectionist law" theory is full of holes. DPWN should have had the intelligence to leave the US corporate set up alone. It worked quite well as it stood.

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Technically they are B4's, A300B4-600. Which is the only version at FedEx with either GE or P&W engines.
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How many Pilots are on the DHL payroll in Europe?? Not contractors, people who's paychecks actually carry the DHL logo and employed by DHL.

Can a US airline outright own and control an European airline??

You do know that there are Fifth Freedom rights between Europe and US??

Thats how FedEx and UPS work in Europe (at least pretty sure). There is no law that would prevent an European Cargo (or pax) from doing the same. Except the law of economics.
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Quote Function

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BB5 the icon to the left of the #

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@ BBFive.

You are wrong. It is impossible for a European company to take cargo from let's say JFK to LAX. And that is because of protectionism on behalve of the usa.

And second, I would say about 350+ who are working for or EAT or DHL UK which are both completely owned by DHL

And by the way, when DHL was operating in the states, they were still employing americans.

It is just abnormal that fedex & ups are flying in europe with N-registered a/c & faa-crews. If the european union would get the same laws about cabotage as the states has , this would not be possible! Unfortunately the european union does not have the power yet to impose such laws. As here , those usa operators make agreements with individual contries.

There is an open-skies agreement in europe. but not in the states.
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DHL Airways was a US company, till DPWN bought DHL. It was a subsidary of DHLWWE.
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Here's the type of aircraft that FedEx will be using intra-Europe.

Photos: Cessna 310... Aircraft Pictures | Airliners.net
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Does that qualify for wide-bodied pay?? I suppose you brown boys will use this?



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The 310 wasn't a photoshop dream. FedEx really operated it.
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I am aware, it was only in jest, hence the
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8th October 2009 22:32 hvydriver
DHL Airways was a US company, till DPWN bought DHL.
At which point, US law prevented DHL, as a non-US owned company from owning a US airline.
WHich meant DHL had to then basically outsource its air operations to ABX, Polar, etc, with the asoociated additional costs.
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