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Old 2nd Mar 2010, 21:49
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I have been sitting in the back ground reading the, well to be honest that has littered this forum and I feel it is about time that some one put the record straight.

Both the Dr and Mike Kruger have done everything possible to keep MK going. Had they not done this would the airline have ever resumed flying again and would it still be around today?

I ask you all couple of questions.

How many airlines have entered administration, having not flown for a week or so then restart operations again?

How many companies, let alone an airline have traded through administration during a world wide recession?

NONE before MK.

With all the trash on this forum that surrounds the grounding of LA, only those that matter really know what happened with this bird, the less said the better.

I along with 99% of the staff of MK will do everything we can to keep the MK logo flying the skies for years to come.

For anyone who has worked with, knows and understands MK is not just a job it’s a family and yes times have been hard and like every single airline operating today they have had to make cutbacks and some very crap decisions and these no matter what always hurt someone some how.

I along with all the staff and crew have taken a hit, but I strongly believe that Mike, all the OUTSTANDING staff at Landhurst and Filton and not forgetting the most amazing crews I have ever had the privilege of working with have what it takes to bring MK back.

Well done too all and good luck for the future.

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Old 3rd Mar 2010, 14:32
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MKAFreighter is ready for politics... lot of nice words, no reel content. Sounds a bit Obama like ... "yes we can", "change is in the air" and al this sort of pep-blahblahblah.

Half of the airline industry is (or has been) in dire straits and in and out chapter11
Delta and Northwest airlines both file for bankruptcy - Sep. 15, 2005
I wouldn't' invest a penny in the air bus: I"t is commonly accepted today that the cumulative earnings of the airline industry over its entire history have been negative" The intellgent investor
Even Buffet goes for... trains!

What about giving some reel facts. Mrs. X mentions people not being paid for three months for one! What does he say about that?

World economy is restarting it seems. Unfortunately this means bad news for MK, as fuel prizes are rising to. First to be in trouble (again) will be the kerosene boozers of MK . Best advice if your not being paid for three months is get out of there an look for a new job before...

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Old 3rd Mar 2010, 22:03
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MKA Freighters post does not sound like a politician but it does sound like someone who is willing to try his hardest to make a company suceed & if that is the attitude of the MK staff they deserve to. As for the economy improving that should be a good thing for MK & all the freight outfits left as capacity should be in demand so may freight airlines will be able to charge a decent rate which allows them to survive rather than everybody thinking they can move something for nothing.

Hydro while I agree that 747-200 is a thirsty old girl fuel is not the only factor that determines an airlines survival. Route structure, lease costs ,spares, maintenace & airframe/engine cycles e.t.c all have an effect so a 200 on some routes i.e shorter legs may be just as viable than a 400 when all cost are taken into account.

As for the advice to Mk staff they are intelligent enough individuals to make their on decisions on their own futures with out the need for advice from someone outside of the company.
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Old 3rd Mar 2010, 23:11
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having been called to a meeting today it has been made very clear to us that mk is in serious trouble we have been asked today to practically defer payment of full wages for seven weeks and having not been paid on time for god knows how long you can imagine how hard this is for everyone but the point i would like to make is this - we wre told today that there is lots of work out there for mk if we can get aircraft flying but we only have 2 at the moment so why has no-one bit the bullit and got mkla back in the air rather than argiung with bulllfinch over the state of the aircraft and secondly if there ps as much wprk as they say there is why is why is the doc not putting money in to make sure we have the aircraft? i think speculate to accumalate is the term and as for the wages situation well maybe us as mk employees will decide mk,s fate as i knw a lot of people within the company cannot survive the circumsances that mk are asking us to do i would love mk to survive but it has to start treating its very loyal staff a lot better
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Old 4th Mar 2010, 06:14
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No Pay No Work!!!!!
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Old 4th Mar 2010, 06:41
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Pat Pearse Chief Operating Officer MK did the clever thing, he left and apperently found himself a nice (paid) new job Air Transport News
Quote Exup: "Route structure, lease costs ,spares, maintenace & airframe/engine cycles e.t.c all have an effect so a 200 on some routes i.e shorter legs may be just as viable than a 400 when all cost are taken into account."

Exup, tell me how can +/- 30 year old frames be profitable in maintenance. Are they going to bring them back to the Ghanaian flag and AOC... to cut a few corners?
Route structure: tel me, how can (as for ex.yesterday) taking of at MSE and landing 60 miles further at OST with a B-742 be profitable? A few trucks with polish driver seems more appropriate. How can flying long haul empty be profitable. Or are airports such as MSE/OST in such big needs they pay for a visit nowadays? Tell us.

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Old 4th Mar 2010, 07:14
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I have to question how any airline operating on the UK register can withstand the ongoing economic tests required to be met by the regulator if it is not even in a position pay the employees.

If the company is under such ecomonic stress then you have to wonder whether it can put the necessary resource required into the safe operation of the aircraft, which is fundamental in maintaining the operating licence.

I feel genuinely sorry for the staff at MK who have clearly been through the mill trying to aid the airline's survival.
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Old 4th Mar 2010, 07:28
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Lets get one thing straight Mk never cut corners on maintenance not even under the Ghana AOCheir engineering team will tell you as any ot t. The reason for going to MSE is that is where the customer wants his cargo & as much of it is time critical fresh produce thats where it will go, unfortunately the UK is no longer much of a manufacturing nation so very little is exported so you go where the work is i.e Ost/Lux & again this is mainly dictatrd by the customer. Unless you are offering a scheduled service this is the way the game is played. The cost of the ferry flight hopefully is factored in to your charge out rates. As for a 200 costing more on maint over a year I never said it didnt, what I said is that when you combine all costs i.e maint, fuel & especially lease costs which are about 30% that a 400 costs , on shorter legs 4-6 hrs a 200 can hold its own.
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Old 4th Mar 2010, 10:46
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MK never cuts corners?

Exup, that MK never cuts corners on maintenance, not even under the Ghana AOC, is a very unsuitable remark.

As a reminder, read http://www.pprune.org/1571379-post260.html. Under the Ghana AOC, there was no safety culture. Under MK’s present financial stress, why would MK’s views on both safety and treatment of its office staff and crew be better than in Ghanaian times?
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Old 4th Mar 2010, 13:10
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Contary to popular beleive on this forum Mk Engineering is not run or operated by a bunch of Yahoos. It is run by a group of professional engineers who work to a higher standard that a lot of other airlines that could be mentioned. They are a mixture of SA, Zim & UK guys alot of whom I know personally & would have absolutely no hesitation in employing them in the future. They are subject to exactly the same oversight by the UK CAA & EASA as any other airline so to come on here & say that they would delibrately skimp on maint is completly out of order.
Remember Just like Aircrew the Engineers are the ones that take resposibility when an aircraft is dispatched, it is their Licence, livelyhood & reputation at stake if they are negligent not to mention their conscience if something should go wrong that could possible injury someone.
I am sorry if this sounds like a rant but I get fed up with people making sweeping statements about Mk & other operators when they are sitting on the outside with absolutely know substance to their claims other than their own uninformed opions
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Old 4th Mar 2010, 13:38
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snarfel,

Just as a point of fact, your link to the previous PPRuNe post has nothing to do with maintenance.
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Old 4th Mar 2010, 13:51
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Exup,

Having followed the forum I don’t think that there is anything that shows the airlines is being run by a bunch of corrupt engineers.
In fact I can tell you it makes more skill and ability to keep these old aircraft flying and you can be sure the CAA will be breathing down their necks.
Of course there are people who say these things for political agenda. Read some of the major airline forums you will see the same rhetoric.
If you try and sort the wheat from the chaff you will see that MK have long been in financial problems and yes they have struggled to keep going in a very difficult economic climate.
Once the slide starts the first thing is to cut rates, fly additional dead legs, go to place no one else will go and carry cargos that no one else will carry etc to get work at any cost. Then the cost cutting to not pay creditors and finally the not paying salaries.
It is a tough road back.
The “problem” is that MK is still run by the founder with a personal interest to try and keep his baby alive and not by a nondescript financial committee.
The leaving of Commercial and QA people must be tough to overcome but these people have a living and family to maintain so who can blame them for not taking better offers.
As storeman says some people just cannot survive on reduced or deferred salaries
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There probably is lots of work out there but if there is any money to be made the Big Boys will be doing it.
Your points about the 2-4 hour market are probably correct but the problem is that you are in a smaller niche market with less work and more competition.
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Old 4th Mar 2010, 16:12
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I don't know the new management well but I believe in Mike, the company still caries his name!!

Does it actually - me thinks you have all been led up the garden path
MK actually stands for M.... and Kruger, his original partner in the business back in the late 80's/early 90's.

Just thort I'd drop in a bit of trivia for the day.
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Old 4th Mar 2010, 22:51
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MK actually stands for M.... and Kruger
M......? Who was that then?
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Old 5th Mar 2010, 07:50
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M......? Who was that then?

Wally Massimiani - a real gentleman who flew with Kruger (as F/E) in Affretair. Anyone know what happened to him?
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Old 5th Mar 2010, 08:20
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Thrax,
This forum is open for a reason and you do not have any authority to suggest I find another forum.

I have just logged on for the first time in days and with the most recent posts, I feel rather exonerated in my claims. So, that being said, Go Well.
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Old 5th Mar 2010, 08:40
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Some MK "Trivia"

MrBernouili ever heard of GOOGLE?
M in MK stands for Mussemelli (of Ghana) (as the say in french in Congo) “le président fondateur” See MK Airlines - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Mike Kruger (not to be confused with a very famous German comic/singer) is a former Air Force of Rhodesia helicopter and Canberra pilot and the nephew of legendary Captain Jack Malloch who founded Affretair (known for its UN sanctions-busting operations during the UDI) MK Airlines B747 crash at Halifax - Page 26 - PPRuNe Forums

And now for some more trivia. I finally found who is managing MK and the capital behind. It’s all on the website of www.belfairsgroup.com. Although be it a somewhat “home-build” very brief website (registered by mr Loay Jolag who is also the current general manager of MK Airlnes Ltd UK) you’ll find they operate through the “Belfairs Management Ltd” company at 39 Curzon Street, London, W1J 7TZ. A view of the front door of the office can be seen on 39, Curzon Street, W1J 7TZ (next to the house with the boarded windows). Belfairs Management has Saudi national mr. Abdulal Jabal Al Anizi as sole share holder with 1 share worth 1$ (one dollar). The company is so small it is exempt of giving insight into accounts and was even “dormant” in 2007. What can we learn from the UK companies registry? Not a lot apparently. Is MK officially run by a small (UK) cover-up company? The address of Transatlantic Aviation Ltd, the company that’s really behind MK, is not given! Nor are financial reports or real transparency. Hallelujah.
Poor people pay taxes, or work for nothing… the happy few…
Where are the unions in all this? Non existing in aviation?
P.s.: MKA is on the Belfairsgroup website with a full page, it's an all "good news" show.
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Old 5th Mar 2010, 09:31
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Safety culture has nothing to do with maintenance? Strange conclusion!
Under the Ghana AOC MK aircraft flying long and hard, there was just time enough for cosmetic maintenance. Hence the Ghanaian MK crashes (Aviation Safety Network > ASN Aviation Safety Database > Operator index > Ghana > MK Airlines).

However, my point is that MK’s present-day dodgy financial background undoubtedly puts safety procedures at risk.

Besides, it seems to me that all MK defenders have “from the inside” a monopoly of correctly informed opinions, while unpleasant information has automatically to be interpreted as boloney… “from the outside”.
Is this what I shall stand up for?
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Old 5th Mar 2010, 10:34
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The above website only lists three crashes for MK, there have infact been four. The first one in 1992 is not listed.

Accident Database: Airline Crash Details > MK Airlines

With the companys past record, and current financial state, I doubt the CAA will be taking any chances or giving the benefit of the doubt.

Perhaps their business model has run its course and is no longer suitable for Europe. How much longer can they keep going without substantial new investment in modern fuel efficient aircraft ?

I feel sorry for the staff, having been in their situation before. I saw the writing on the wall and moved on to a better opportunity.

Some more trivia. Pilot involved in the first crash was also involved in the third.
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Old 5th Mar 2010, 16:13
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wally worked for african international in joburg untill just befor the operation finnished.







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