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Old 16th Feb 2008, 13:30
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Atlas Air B747 Damaged in LFW

Any one aware of any further news to the Atlas Air B747-200F that was damaged by movement of cargo in DXXX..?

Hearing reports that aircraft had a cargo slip on rotation/take off and the rear pressure bulk head was damaged...?

Aircraft landed back in LFW ok...however due lack of engineering equipment and support in Lome, Togo. Aircraft is a possible W/O...?
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MKA freighter,
Are you thinking of getting down there to scavenge for parts?
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I have managed to get some pictures...does not look at all good...will post on here asap.
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Mka Freighter

As a man /Female on this site ,you are expressing hard words towards an industry , so the matter of what you are saying are they HARD FACTS!!!!!!!

This is a Rumours Network ,beleive what you think !!!!!!!!!

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with some of the pictures i have seen with the drill pipe through the back bulkhead, it missed the main hydraulics so it could be patched and flown low level not pressurised to a proper repair station depending on how the crew and h/o view the situation to save leaving the a/c stranded in LFW.
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Pictures

Could you please send me copies of any pictures you have of the Atlas 747 damaged in Lome? I would really appreciate it.
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happened Feb 02 at DXXX, ship N527MC

according to monthly aon insurer report, the damage will exceeed 10 m USD making it very likely not to repair the aircraft again.

But nothing definite at the time, sorry.

check monthly publications at
www.aon.co.uk
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where can i find the pictures?
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Here are some. Bear in mind that these show where it went after exiting a specifically engineered container for it. I believe the tie downs in the frames are the ones used to secure the item by the crew after it exited it's secured container in flight. In case someone from Polar wants to make a typical comment we all expect from them.

Note it just missing the hydraulic assembly to the aft controls. If they didn't have religion before, they do now I bet.










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I am a bit confused there appears to be nothing securing this item to the floor. If this is so who signed the load sheet and how are the loading team supervisors signed off to safely perform the loading of the a/c?
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It was inside a plywood box, obviously unsecured in the box. No way to tell from the outside of the box.
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Originally Posted by nitty-gritty
Bear in mind that these show where it went after exiting a specifically engineered container for it. I believe the tie downs in the frames are the ones used to secure the item by the crew after it exited it's secured container in flight.
Guess I should have said that the still restrained engineered container that held the item is not shown because it is forward in the A/C out of the picture. I believe the container was still secured where it was originally loaded. Imagine the one's that designed the container will be getting the bill for the A/C.
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Don't like the look of that at all. What do the other Loadies on here make of this? - from my point of view this should never have happened.
Were the ends of said box restrained?

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There are a couple of other pictures that show it on a cookie sheet or 20 footer with a net over it. The box was supposedly a special box engineered for the 8000 lb drill bit, which is what it supposedly weighed. As I recall, it looked like it was under some other cargo so the loadmaster may not have had a chance to look at it separately. Depending on how much running room it had in the box before it hit the end, a separate strap may not have stopped it.
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and that's exactly why pipes/drilling parts need to have proper/sturdy end-plates attached before shipping

Putting it in a wooden box, hoping the planks will hold...
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From what I gather from a very reliable source, the 'built for purpose' box, as supplied by a regular shipper, was properly secured on the pallet with net & straps. The loadie was not, and couldn't be, aware that the box was not strong enough.

The only possible criticism could be that, because it was not a full load, nearly empty in fact, there was no ULD behind the pallet as he was trying to keep the asymmetric load as near to zero as possible.

As somebody said earlier, the shipper should get the bill, if not charged with gross negligence. Then again, how far do you go against a regular customer.

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I'm curious how far forward the uld was loaded in reference to where the
drill bit ended up. Obviously from the pics the drill bit is at the rear
of the loading area on the aircraft, how many positions up was the
20ft pallet loaded? Was LFW the point of departure for the freight
or was in an enroute stop? and judging from the damage, was this
a RTO or did the damage occur on T/O resulting in an emergency landing?
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SFD,

The 2 pallets were loaded around the middle of the aircraft over the wing, 2 pallets side by side with nothing behind them. LFW was the POD. This was not an RTO, the damage occured on TO, but no emergency was declared, landed without incident.
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Thnx Po Boy!
Has any decision been made as to the cost for repair vs. write off
the frame for economic reasons?
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The rumor is that Boeing has said they will not support the repair. Damage to the rear pressure bulkhead takes Boeing approval and repair data. It they won't support it then it is a write off.
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