DHL/LH to use B777
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What is current experience for FOs and SOs who are being hired? Do anyone know what minimum experience for successful applicants has been so far? Obviously very experienced pilots applying. Just want to know (beyond stated minimums) what has been successful for newhire FOs in terms of hours and aircraft types (737/A320, turboprops, military). Have primarily LTU or Air Berlin pilots been offered interviews?
I would think experienced CargoLux FOs might be interested since upgrade time might be faster at AeroLogic. So, what is latest info on AeroLogic interviews?
I would think experienced CargoLux FOs might be interested since upgrade time might be faster at AeroLogic. So, what is latest info on AeroLogic interviews?
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FAQs. Light in the dark?
Last night the already announced FAQs came in:
Have a look!
Frequently Asked Questions – Pilot Recruitment
What is the salary scale at AeroLogic?
The annual salary ranges from € 45.000, (for Second Officers) to maximum of € 90.000 (for First Officers). The top salary for commanders is € 159.000. The annual pay rise is € 2.500 for all posi-tions until the maximum for that rank is reached.
How will AeroLogic incorporate me into the salary scale?
For the “Start-up” phase we have defined a system to incorporate experienced pilots into our salary scale. We consider your background as a B777 or wide body pilot and your experience as TRI/E.
At present I am an instructor/examiner. Are these positions available at AeroLogic?
Generally yes. However, although we consider your background as instructor/examiner for the incorporation in into our pay scale, the appointment for one of these positions will be considered individually.
Is the base salary liable for taxation? Are tax exemptions possible?
Due to the night and weekend duty, our pilots are entitled to certain tax exemptions. Final details regarding the amount, however, must still be clarified with the local tax office. We hope to achieve a tax-free allowance of up to 20% of the base salary, which is in line with the industry standard.
How does AeroLogic reward special assignments and performance?
AeroLogic provides a generous base salary that covers more working days than are to be ex-pected. This will remain for the “Start-Up” phase, which will run for approximately 3-4 years. Following this stage, performance-orientated packages will enable individuals to either increase or decrease their working hours and salary respectively.
Can I work part-time?
Although part-time work during the “Start-Up” phase of the company is not planned, future plans for such work will be considered.
QUANTITATIVE AND QUALITATIVE BENEFITS
What can AeroLogic offer besides a salary?
AeroLogic will operate the B777F, a state-of-the-art high-performance aircraft with the lowest envi-ronmental impact compared to other aircraft types. The two global concerns Lufthansa/Cargo and Deutsche Post/DHL Express offer both security of employment and a secure working environment. A comparable working environment in an attractive place such as Germany is currently not available anywhere else in the world.
Will the two shareholders also offer benefits for AeroLogic employees?
This has not yet been agreed. The first steps have been made towards an Interline agreement with Lufthansa German Airlines, however as a cargo airline, we are unable to offer any service in return.
Can family accompany me on my flights?
No.
Can I transfer my current corporate pension plan to AeroLogic?
No. However, in addition to the obligatory contributions to the statutory pension insurance plan, AeroLogic offers a separate and attractive tax- sheltered deferred compensation programme. For this we are working together with the Lufthansa subsidiary Albatros.
Will AeroLogic take over my Loss of Licence insurance?
No. A voluntary occupational disablement insurance specifically for airline employees will be offered on attractive terms by the Lufthansa subsidiary Albatros.
Can AeroLogic assist me with my relocation to Leipzig?
A number of AeroLogic employees have already relocated from various locations around Germany to Leipzig. There is, therefore a lot of information available regarding good residential areas and appropriate prices. These colleagues will be able to give advice and provide you with information. A relocation expense reimbursement is not planned.
What can Leipzig offer as a location?
Leipzig is a beautiful, well-kept city with a lot of culture, an exciting night life and good infrastructure. With 500.000 inhabitants, Leipzig can be compared in size to that of Düsseldorf or Stuttgart. The state-of-the-art airport Leipzig/Halle offers an excellent working environment.
Will AeroLogic pay the type rating costs?
Yes. AeroLogic will pay the type rating costs for the pilots. In return, they must agree and sign a 3 year “Training Bond” which will be reduced pro rata each year.
How long is the probationary period?
The probationary period of six months begins after the final checkout on line.
How long will the dismissal protection be effective?
The dismissal protection is subject to the mandatory legal requirements and therefore accumulates as the length of the employee’s service increases. In addition to the legal requirement, AeroLogic will provide an extended cover for further months. The exact extent of this, however, is still to be determined.
How long is the period of continued payment in case of illness?
Our regulations are in line with the legal requirements.
Will I receive a company car?
Although there is the possibility to take private advantage of the competitive company car leasing conditions, a company car as such will not be provided.
Will all pilots receive their own PC?
Yes.
ROSTER AND ASSIGNMENT PLANNING
How stable is the roster?
DHL Express is responsible for weekdays 1-5. This is a scheduled flight operation and therefore inherently stable. The LH Cargo operation will also be planned around a fixed programme so that the AeroLogic flight plan on days 6 -7 is also that of a scheduled operation.
Who designates the flight plan and can this influence the air traffic in any way?
The customer designates the flight plan – i.e. DHL Express and LH Cargo. AeroLogic will, how-ever, in agreement with the customers, always try to seek possible improvements with route optimisation and aircraft utilisation. With these come cost improvements for our customers and an even higher level of future security for our organisation.
How stable are the work schedules and how often are they produced?
Due to the fact that we expect the flight plans to be stable, the work schedules are also expected to be stable. The schedules will be planned for each month and sent by E-Mail, at the latest, in the last week before the scheduled month.
To what extent am I able to formulate my own work schedules?
As a rule, the work schedules are simply assigned to each pilot. Nevertheless, to a certain extent, the crew planning is able to take wishes and requests into consideration. Holidays and off-days can certainly be requested.
How, when and how many vacation or off-days can be requested?
AeroLogic will set up a simple request system for vacation and off-days. The manager for crewplanning is not yet on board and therefore we do not want to make any final statements regarding the exact concept. As a rule, the legal minimum for off-days is guaranteed as per (2. DVO/EU Ops-Subpart Q). At least 120 off-days per year and four consecutive days per month, however, are to be expected.
Annual holiday is calculated according to pilot age: 40 days for pilots older than 40, 35 days for pilots aged between 30 and 40, and 28 days for pilots younger than 30.
How often will I be away for longer than a week?
Under normal circumstances, this is not to be expected. During the “Start-Up” phase, however, we are unable to guarantee this. Nevertheless, long periods away are not planned to be a permanent feature.
Will my free time be respected or am I to expect constant unplanned work schedule changes at short notice?
We aim to encourage an individual and fair environment for all AeroLogic employees. Everyone can expect that both a level of operational readiness in critically operational times will be required but respect for the individual’s private life will be guaranteed.
TRAINING AND TYPE RATING
How long does the type rating training take?
8 Weeks.
How often will the training/instruction take place?
4 training and 2 instruction blocks will take place each year. The long term plan is to carry out the training with Lufthansa Flight Training in Berlin.
COMPANY AND PERSONAL DEVELOPMENT POSSIBILITIES
How is quality expressed at AeroLogic?
Quality is expressed through a punctual and safe operation. It is also expressed through satisfied and motivated employees, who are highly trained and dedicated to setting a high standard for the company.
How are the growth prospects at AeroLogic?
Within the first two years the AeroLogic fleet will increase to eight new aircraft. The initial planned fleet size is eleven aircraft; further growth will be dependent on AeroLogic performance efficiency and the market demand from our customers DHL and LH Cargo.
Are both shareholders interested in AeroLogic for the long term?
Both shareholders acknowledge the need for a cost-efficient production platform and have both signed long-term supply agreements with AeroLogic. Furthermore, provided that the AeroLogic operation proves successful, their interest is expected to increase rather than decrease.
What kind of professional development prospects do I have with AeroLogic?
The professional development prospects are, as with all newly founded companies, superb. Each person has therefore the chance to prove their ability and potential and have to opportunity to advance into available positions within the company.
Does AeroLogic plan to hire experienced pilots with type rating in the future?
After the “Start-Up” phase, it is expected that only young second and first officers will be appointed. If the operational and/or economical need arises, however, it will be discussed with the existing AeroLogic employees beforehand. If no other alternative is available, experienced pilots will again be hired by the company.
Will AeroLogic offer pilot bases in other countries?
AeroLogic is based in Leipzig and alternative bases for pilots are not currently planned.
How does communication within AeroLogic take place? How often will the pilots be informed about the economic development of the company and from whom?
Internet communication platforms will be set up which will allow up-to-date information exchange. Personal contact is of particular importance to management and as a result, personal meetings will take place several times a year.
Does AeroLogic need to comply with the DHL and/or LH guidelines and procedures?
AeroLogic is an independent company with their own corporate culture and self- determined operational methods. We will, however, not dismiss any good solutions developed by DHL and/or LH.
Have a look!
Frequently Asked Questions – Pilot Recruitment
What is the salary scale at AeroLogic?
The annual salary ranges from € 45.000, (for Second Officers) to maximum of € 90.000 (for First Officers). The top salary for commanders is € 159.000. The annual pay rise is € 2.500 for all posi-tions until the maximum for that rank is reached.
How will AeroLogic incorporate me into the salary scale?
For the “Start-up” phase we have defined a system to incorporate experienced pilots into our salary scale. We consider your background as a B777 or wide body pilot and your experience as TRI/E.
At present I am an instructor/examiner. Are these positions available at AeroLogic?
Generally yes. However, although we consider your background as instructor/examiner for the incorporation in into our pay scale, the appointment for one of these positions will be considered individually.
Is the base salary liable for taxation? Are tax exemptions possible?
Due to the night and weekend duty, our pilots are entitled to certain tax exemptions. Final details regarding the amount, however, must still be clarified with the local tax office. We hope to achieve a tax-free allowance of up to 20% of the base salary, which is in line with the industry standard.
How does AeroLogic reward special assignments and performance?
AeroLogic provides a generous base salary that covers more working days than are to be ex-pected. This will remain for the “Start-Up” phase, which will run for approximately 3-4 years. Following this stage, performance-orientated packages will enable individuals to either increase or decrease their working hours and salary respectively.
Can I work part-time?
Although part-time work during the “Start-Up” phase of the company is not planned, future plans for such work will be considered.
QUANTITATIVE AND QUALITATIVE BENEFITS
What can AeroLogic offer besides a salary?
AeroLogic will operate the B777F, a state-of-the-art high-performance aircraft with the lowest envi-ronmental impact compared to other aircraft types. The two global concerns Lufthansa/Cargo and Deutsche Post/DHL Express offer both security of employment and a secure working environment. A comparable working environment in an attractive place such as Germany is currently not available anywhere else in the world.
Will the two shareholders also offer benefits for AeroLogic employees?
This has not yet been agreed. The first steps have been made towards an Interline agreement with Lufthansa German Airlines, however as a cargo airline, we are unable to offer any service in return.
Can family accompany me on my flights?
No.
Can I transfer my current corporate pension plan to AeroLogic?
No. However, in addition to the obligatory contributions to the statutory pension insurance plan, AeroLogic offers a separate and attractive tax- sheltered deferred compensation programme. For this we are working together with the Lufthansa subsidiary Albatros.
Will AeroLogic take over my Loss of Licence insurance?
No. A voluntary occupational disablement insurance specifically for airline employees will be offered on attractive terms by the Lufthansa subsidiary Albatros.
Can AeroLogic assist me with my relocation to Leipzig?
A number of AeroLogic employees have already relocated from various locations around Germany to Leipzig. There is, therefore a lot of information available regarding good residential areas and appropriate prices. These colleagues will be able to give advice and provide you with information. A relocation expense reimbursement is not planned.
What can Leipzig offer as a location?
Leipzig is a beautiful, well-kept city with a lot of culture, an exciting night life and good infrastructure. With 500.000 inhabitants, Leipzig can be compared in size to that of Düsseldorf or Stuttgart. The state-of-the-art airport Leipzig/Halle offers an excellent working environment.
Will AeroLogic pay the type rating costs?
Yes. AeroLogic will pay the type rating costs for the pilots. In return, they must agree and sign a 3 year “Training Bond” which will be reduced pro rata each year.
How long is the probationary period?
The probationary period of six months begins after the final checkout on line.
How long will the dismissal protection be effective?
The dismissal protection is subject to the mandatory legal requirements and therefore accumulates as the length of the employee’s service increases. In addition to the legal requirement, AeroLogic will provide an extended cover for further months. The exact extent of this, however, is still to be determined.
How long is the period of continued payment in case of illness?
Our regulations are in line with the legal requirements.
Will I receive a company car?
Although there is the possibility to take private advantage of the competitive company car leasing conditions, a company car as such will not be provided.
Will all pilots receive their own PC?
Yes.
ROSTER AND ASSIGNMENT PLANNING
How stable is the roster?
DHL Express is responsible for weekdays 1-5. This is a scheduled flight operation and therefore inherently stable. The LH Cargo operation will also be planned around a fixed programme so that the AeroLogic flight plan on days 6 -7 is also that of a scheduled operation.
Who designates the flight plan and can this influence the air traffic in any way?
The customer designates the flight plan – i.e. DHL Express and LH Cargo. AeroLogic will, how-ever, in agreement with the customers, always try to seek possible improvements with route optimisation and aircraft utilisation. With these come cost improvements for our customers and an even higher level of future security for our organisation.
How stable are the work schedules and how often are they produced?
Due to the fact that we expect the flight plans to be stable, the work schedules are also expected to be stable. The schedules will be planned for each month and sent by E-Mail, at the latest, in the last week before the scheduled month.
To what extent am I able to formulate my own work schedules?
As a rule, the work schedules are simply assigned to each pilot. Nevertheless, to a certain extent, the crew planning is able to take wishes and requests into consideration. Holidays and off-days can certainly be requested.
How, when and how many vacation or off-days can be requested?
AeroLogic will set up a simple request system for vacation and off-days. The manager for crewplanning is not yet on board and therefore we do not want to make any final statements regarding the exact concept. As a rule, the legal minimum for off-days is guaranteed as per (2. DVO/EU Ops-Subpart Q). At least 120 off-days per year and four consecutive days per month, however, are to be expected.
Annual holiday is calculated according to pilot age: 40 days for pilots older than 40, 35 days for pilots aged between 30 and 40, and 28 days for pilots younger than 30.
How often will I be away for longer than a week?
Under normal circumstances, this is not to be expected. During the “Start-Up” phase, however, we are unable to guarantee this. Nevertheless, long periods away are not planned to be a permanent feature.
Will my free time be respected or am I to expect constant unplanned work schedule changes at short notice?
We aim to encourage an individual and fair environment for all AeroLogic employees. Everyone can expect that both a level of operational readiness in critically operational times will be required but respect for the individual’s private life will be guaranteed.
TRAINING AND TYPE RATING
How long does the type rating training take?
8 Weeks.
How often will the training/instruction take place?
4 training and 2 instruction blocks will take place each year. The long term plan is to carry out the training with Lufthansa Flight Training in Berlin.
COMPANY AND PERSONAL DEVELOPMENT POSSIBILITIES
How is quality expressed at AeroLogic?
Quality is expressed through a punctual and safe operation. It is also expressed through satisfied and motivated employees, who are highly trained and dedicated to setting a high standard for the company.
How are the growth prospects at AeroLogic?
Within the first two years the AeroLogic fleet will increase to eight new aircraft. The initial planned fleet size is eleven aircraft; further growth will be dependent on AeroLogic performance efficiency and the market demand from our customers DHL and LH Cargo.
Are both shareholders interested in AeroLogic for the long term?
Both shareholders acknowledge the need for a cost-efficient production platform and have both signed long-term supply agreements with AeroLogic. Furthermore, provided that the AeroLogic operation proves successful, their interest is expected to increase rather than decrease.
What kind of professional development prospects do I have with AeroLogic?
The professional development prospects are, as with all newly founded companies, superb. Each person has therefore the chance to prove their ability and potential and have to opportunity to advance into available positions within the company.
Does AeroLogic plan to hire experienced pilots with type rating in the future?
After the “Start-Up” phase, it is expected that only young second and first officers will be appointed. If the operational and/or economical need arises, however, it will be discussed with the existing AeroLogic employees beforehand. If no other alternative is available, experienced pilots will again be hired by the company.
Will AeroLogic offer pilot bases in other countries?
AeroLogic is based in Leipzig and alternative bases for pilots are not currently planned.
How does communication within AeroLogic take place? How often will the pilots be informed about the economic development of the company and from whom?
Internet communication platforms will be set up which will allow up-to-date information exchange. Personal contact is of particular importance to management and as a result, personal meetings will take place several times a year.
Does AeroLogic need to comply with the DHL and/or LH guidelines and procedures?
AeroLogic is an independent company with their own corporate culture and self- determined operational methods. We will, however, not dismiss any good solutions developed by DHL and/or LH.
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Screening
Would anybody who have been to the screening lately care to give some details??
From what I´ve heard there should have been a selection in the begining of May.
Regards.
From what I´ve heard there should have been a selection in the begining of May.
Regards.
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Second hand info only
Have heard from a friend who's been there for an interview that they hire for aircraft #7 and #8 already.
Most of the left seat guys are retired from other German companies ( getting they 'high' DE salary only for a few years).
To keep it cheap they plan to promote the FOs asap and pay them the lowest capt. salary (they'll make the same as the DE after ONLY 25 years of service).
Quick command for some guys ? YES.
Competitive conditions? Sorry, but NO (no LoL, pension fund,a funny pdm sys, 12 month salary etc.)
Your choice
Most of the left seat guys are retired from other German companies ( getting they 'high' DE salary only for a few years).
To keep it cheap they plan to promote the FOs asap and pay them the lowest capt. salary (they'll make the same as the DE after ONLY 25 years of service).
Quick command for some guys ? YES.
Competitive conditions? Sorry, but NO (no LoL, pension fund,a funny pdm sys, 12 month salary etc.)
Your choice
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AeroLogic to Lufthansa is what OpenSkies is to BA .
Nobody is really complaining though (or planning a strike) .
I wonder if there is a difference , that has slipped my mind ?
Nobody is really complaining though (or planning a strike) .
I wonder if there is a difference , that has slipped my mind ?
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Aerologic Vagancies?
Does anyone know if they filled all the vacancies with the applications they already have?
I noticed on their website that they are not accepting any more applications at the moment?
I noticed on their website that they are not accepting any more applications at the moment?
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All positions for F/O's currently taken. Next round of interviews (f/o's) will be in around 12-18 months time. They said to me that I can expect an invite for an interview in about 12 months from now.
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AeroLogic to Lufthansa is what OpenSkies is to BA .
Nobody is really complaining though (or planning a strike) .
I wonder if there is a difference , that has slipped my mind ?
Nobody is really complaining though (or planning a strike) .
I wonder if there is a difference , that has slipped my mind ?
The Aerogolic situation is a part of very big package including the current Embraer problems and inclusion of Lufthansa Cityline into mainline or at least introduction of mainline conditions for Cityline as well as current problems with a possible deal between TUI and Lufthansa about Germanwings and Tuifly.
Expect a pretty hot summer for all LH passengers.
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Screening at the end of June
Hello everyone!
I have been invited for a screening (as a FO) at th end of June.
It's durring 2 days, first day tests and the second day a simcheck in the 737NG.
Can anyone give me some info on what kind of tests we can expect?
thx
I have been invited for a screening (as a FO) at th end of June.
It's durring 2 days, first day tests and the second day a simcheck in the 737NG.
Can anyone give me some info on what kind of tests we can expect?
thx
