Who's who in the zoo?
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Who's who in the zoo?
Note with amusement that Air Charter Express (ACE) which is just a re-invention of convenience of Cargo Plus Airlines performed a DC-8-63(F) with reg no 9G-AXA, a cargo flight from the United Kingdom to Bagram Air Base in Iraq last week for the British Ministry of Defence.
Will be remembered that Cargo Plus, Memphis Air, Aerogem, Fab Air, Phoenix - list is endless but all usualy conveniently registered in Ghana have been linked to a notorious gun runner. Most recently B707 9G-AOL was still delivering arms to the USA's erstwhile enemies in Somalia, now this same crowd is flying military logistics for the British MOD.
So who's fighting who actualy?
Will be remembered that Cargo Plus, Memphis Air, Aerogem, Fab Air, Phoenix - list is endless but all usualy conveniently registered in Ghana have been linked to a notorious gun runner. Most recently B707 9G-AOL was still delivering arms to the USA's erstwhile enemies in Somalia, now this same crowd is flying military logistics for the British MOD.
So who's fighting who actualy?
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The silence is deafening!!! OK, so whats the next step - is the EU now also going to ban Air Charter Express or just another case of duplicity and diabolical expedience?
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Read Rosebud (by JOAN HEMMINGWAY & PAUL BONNECARRERE).
Or else: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_interest
Or else: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_interest
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Lemper, certainly enlightening. If duplicity and hypocrisy can be justified by national interests and expedience - certainly then we must not becry the most desperate and despicable methods embarked upon by those who try to fight back with whatever means at their disposal.
For evil to truimph good men merely have to do nothing - duplicty has no place in our global village society today.
PS: I am not a fundamentalist of any sorts by the way - only believe in fair and equal treatment and consistency.
For evil to truimph good men merely have to do nothing - duplicty has no place in our global village society today.
PS: I am not a fundamentalist of any sorts by the way - only believe in fair and equal treatment and consistency.
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I am not condoning duplicity in the name of National Interest.
Simply noticed that some (failed) humans use it for their own aganda.
Unfortunately, because democracy has become the tyrany of the cowards and the mediocre, WE elect those humans.
Missed saying this: I mentioned Rosebud, and I would have mentioned Costa Gravas (La Raison d'Etat = National interest) film maker, because they denounce this poor state of human affairs, not condone it.
Simply noticed that some (failed) humans use it for their own aganda.
Unfortunately, because democracy has become the tyrany of the cowards and the mediocre, WE elect those humans.
Missed saying this: I mentioned Rosebud, and I would have mentioned Costa Gravas (La Raison d'Etat = National interest) film maker, because they denounce this poor state of human affairs, not condone it.
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Thank you Lemper, my thoughts and feelings on the matter exactly. Hence the post. We will lose the moral high ground (and the world) if we act with duplicity and hypocrisy.
You will/might have noticed that I am an African and very familiar with many of those mentioned. Dont know if you saw the movie Lord of War (based on faction - and sponsored by who know's funds although I have a fair idea - not truely Amnesty International). It is certainly true that much of the weapons of destruction that has turned Africa into the mess it is in, was flown in here with Russian planes, but dont be fooled, as many or much more came in on Western owned DC-8's and B707's. Some on those very same ones belonging to the very same people now flying new registrations of convenience, like last weeks flight from the UK to Bagram.
Dont tell me the MOD is not aware, I would be horribly dissapointed.
Mr Mod; thanks for allowing this - again I am sincerely sorry for jumping my mouth the way I did - hope I can prove and make up one day!!!
You will/might have noticed that I am an African and very familiar with many of those mentioned. Dont know if you saw the movie Lord of War (based on faction - and sponsored by who know's funds although I have a fair idea - not truely Amnesty International). It is certainly true that much of the weapons of destruction that has turned Africa into the mess it is in, was flown in here with Russian planes, but dont be fooled, as many or much more came in on Western owned DC-8's and B707's. Some on those very same ones belonging to the very same people now flying new registrations of convenience, like last weeks flight from the UK to Bagram.
Dont tell me the MOD is not aware, I would be horribly dissapointed.
Mr Mod; thanks for allowing this - again I am sincerely sorry for jumping my mouth the way I did - hope I can prove and make up one day!!!
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Well, at unawares my "callsign" corresponds to the topic...
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And I even was flying in Africa, as well in Iraq and Afghan, though our crew always rejected "that" cargo.
It's getting more clear nowadays that an idea of feeding ammo to Africa, Iraq and Afghan doesn't belong solely to "Lord of Wars" (yes, I've seen that movie).
But I doubt you or me will be able to stop that sh*t, as I beleive there are a lot of NGOs involved, who have hidden governmental financial and political support.
It's wise and honest to allow no ammos on board. Okay, what next? How about russian birds? Russian crews have been flying to areas with ongoing mil activity for ve-e-ery poor bonus with ammo on-board. Even keeping in mind two IL-76s recently shot up in Somalia.
I gave up. I won't carry such cargo, and there is nothing we can do more.
.And I even was flying in Africa, as well in Iraq and Afghan, though our crew always rejected "that" cargo.
It's getting more clear nowadays that an idea of feeding ammo to Africa, Iraq and Afghan doesn't belong solely to "Lord of Wars" (yes, I've seen that movie).
But I doubt you or me will be able to stop that sh*t, as I beleive there are a lot of NGOs involved, who have hidden governmental financial and political support.
It's wise and honest to allow no ammos on board. Okay, what next? How about russian birds? Russian crews have been flying to areas with ongoing mil activity for ve-e-ery poor bonus with ammo on-board. Even keeping in mind two IL-76s recently shot up in Somalia.
I gave up. I won't carry such cargo, and there is nothing we can do more.
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Hi Zoowarden, welcome to the club. Title was very randomly chosen please dont take it personally.
Yes this kind of cargo will always be flown I have absolutely no problem with that. I also have no problem also with this specific requirement that was flown last week - would have done so myself.
My problem in this very case is that it is, was, and in future is probably again going to awarded/consigned to one of those mentioned who played such an important role in feeding the murder and mayhem frenzy in Africa and in the rest of the world - that which the British Government stood so harshly in judgement about.
If we/some are then going to be absolute hypocrits why not give it to the old man with the converted L1011 bulkloaders to fly - believe me he needs it - even flying for below IL-76 rates these days I hear. But perhaps he cant fly it because the British Government wont allow him into the UK and have slapped a travel ban on him for the last he flew into Liberia. Thats double standards as Johnsons are in the same league, still contracted by Heavylift, just as Cargo Plus and now their new re-invention Air Charter Express is.
If someone in position of authority in relevant contracts department in MOD sees this, Dear Sir - please comment - or is this par for the course in the duplicit world we live in today!
Yes this kind of cargo will always be flown I have absolutely no problem with that. I also have no problem also with this specific requirement that was flown last week - would have done so myself.
My problem in this very case is that it is, was, and in future is probably again going to awarded/consigned to one of those mentioned who played such an important role in feeding the murder and mayhem frenzy in Africa and in the rest of the world - that which the British Government stood so harshly in judgement about.
If we/some are then going to be absolute hypocrits why not give it to the old man with the converted L1011 bulkloaders to fly - believe me he needs it - even flying for below IL-76 rates these days I hear. But perhaps he cant fly it because the British Government wont allow him into the UK and have slapped a travel ban on him for the last he flew into Liberia. Thats double standards as Johnsons are in the same league, still contracted by Heavylift, just as Cargo Plus and now their new re-invention Air Charter Express is.
If someone in position of authority in relevant contracts department in MOD sees this, Dear Sir - please comment - or is this par for the course in the duplicit world we live in today!
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Thanks for welcome, AAL.
You're absolutely right - we live in the world of double standards. But I can do something - I will not accept any ammo on board. I will even refuse to fly, though I am not a Captain.
You know - lots of sh*t is going on "under the carpet". Do you really wanna stop it? Don't dash against the rock.
Some time ago I saw a request to drop 120 tn of stationary to Mogadisho from Saudi Arabia. Hmm...no comments on that **** 
Have you seen "Hotel Rwanda"? UN did nothing to stop that massacre. And that's just one of hundreds "episodes". My friends tell me some terrible stories from time to time about what they observed in Africa. I was a witness of some Mid-East' dirty stories too.
That's just my opinion - we can do nothing unless it has a support of some governments, who tell "highly true stories" to newspapers and for the same time support those who they criticize.
You're absolutely right - we live in the world of double standards. But I can do something - I will not accept any ammo on board. I will even refuse to fly, though I am not a Captain.
You know - lots of sh*t is going on "under the carpet". Do you really wanna stop it? Don't dash against the rock.
Some time ago I saw a request to drop 120 tn of stationary
to Mogadisho from Saudi Arabia. Hmm...no comments on that **** Have you seen "Hotel Rwanda"? UN did nothing to stop that massacre. And that's just one of hundreds "episodes". My friends tell me some terrible stories from time to time about what they observed in Africa. I was a witness of some Mid-East' dirty stories too.
That's just my opinion - we can do nothing unless it has a support of some governments, who tell "highly true stories" to newspapers and for the same time support those who they criticize.
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The stationary originated in Yogjakarta, we were also requested to quote direct into Mogadishu. We offered to fly to a more respectable (safer) airfield closer to Mogadishu and take in, in controlable volumes with more suitable 20 ton planes. This was not acceptable. Seems like the stationary is after three or four months then still now stuck in the UAE or Saudi.
Know GST well who blindly flew in the two IL-76's that were lost. They were lost due to bad intel on ground, no area cover, and exactly because of this duplicity I am speaking about, the arms that Johnsons and their brother cronies had flown into Mogadishu.
Yet the USA supports the new Nationalist Government of Somalia, and/yet/but last week the Brtish MOD used the same people and airline that was flying this sh!t into Mogadishu, to fly mil log from UK to Bagram.
I am confused - very confused - used to look up to the Brits to uphold standards and integrity - something big amiss here!.
Know GST well who blindly flew in the two IL-76's that were lost. They were lost due to bad intel on ground, no area cover, and exactly because of this duplicity I am speaking about, the arms that Johnsons and their brother cronies had flown into Mogadishu.
Yet the USA supports the new Nationalist Government of Somalia, and/yet/but last week the Brtish MOD used the same people and airline that was flying this sh!t into Mogadishu, to fly mil log from UK to Bagram.
I am confused - very confused - used to look up to the Brits to uphold standards and integrity - something big amiss here!.
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Those unhappy IL76s did belong not to GST, but to TransAviaExport of Belorussia. Anyway, you're right - there was significant lack of ground back up. Ukrainian IL76 evacuated that dead crew out of MGQ under fire... Very strange to see this all nowadays. Death and Feat.
Yet the USA supports the new Nationalist Government of Somalia, and/yet/but last week the Brtish MOD used the same people and airline that was flying this sh!t into Mogadishu, to fly mil log from UK to Bagram.
I am confused - very confused - used to look up to the Brists to uphold standards and integrity - something big amiss here!.
This was/is/will be very profitable business, man!
Yet the USA supports the new Nationalist Government of Somalia, and/yet/but last week the Brtish MOD used the same people and airline that was flying this sh!t into Mogadishu, to fly mil log from UK to Bagram.
I am confused - very confused - used to look up to the Brists to uphold standards and integrity - something big amiss here!.
This was/is/will be very profitable business, man!
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Broker was Heavylift or Chapman-Freeborn. But ignorance is no excuse. How's British MOD going to explain to USA that same crowd who were weeks ago (and this not the first time) flying arms into Somalia thats now being used against US Forces.
The British Security Services are allegedly and probably the best in the world, they are experts at sniffing fundamentalists out at thousands of kilometers, how can this happen at home right under their noses?
The British Security Services are allegedly and probably the best in the world, they are experts at sniffing fundamentalists out at thousands of kilometers, how can this happen at home right under their noses?
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"UK MoD. Ever heard the old expression "thumb up bum and mind in neutral" ???"
Merlinxx, what a let down. Here in the dark continent we have always looked up to you guy's, believing that your best practises would somehow someday rub off.
Please understand again, no problem with the flights and commodities, just seriously agrieved that the worst of the worst seems to be getting the contracts, as if for reward for all the mayhem and destruction that their flying has in the past caused all over the world. There are other worthy, honourable and capable operators that can also perform these tasks.
In South Africa similar flights are farmed out by the DoD through an "ostensibly" transparent tender process. This for peacekeeping operations accross Africa which anyway get funded by you "sometimes gullible" Europeans. We have long ago given up tendering to perform such peacekeeping support flights at clearly lower prices than selfcost. Only when we studied the extra "have to ask for to see" fine print did we notice provisions for claiming extra charges afterwards. The same lot seem to be awarded the flights every time at clearly below self cost but then claim their "substantial profits" as aditional expenses afterwards.
This tender process is fundamentaly flawed.
Clearly if there is a propensity by the British MoD to favour the same group of service providers and even reward these dubious air companies, something is seriously wrong not necessary with the organisation, but perhaps rather a clique of persons or perhaps old-boys. It would be unfair to generalise.
For evil to truimph - good men merely have to do nothing. Speak out and protest where you can. Instead of rewarding these people with government contracts they should be banned from EU skies - just like their predecessors (and former companys) were.
One of the mod's recently pointed out that this has been covered in the media before and is a worn topic - clearly it made no impact and not so worn at all as the practise is continuing with impunity and unabated still todayl.
Merlinxx, what a let down. Here in the dark continent we have always looked up to you guy's, believing that your best practises would somehow someday rub off.
Please understand again, no problem with the flights and commodities, just seriously agrieved that the worst of the worst seems to be getting the contracts, as if for reward for all the mayhem and destruction that their flying has in the past caused all over the world. There are other worthy, honourable and capable operators that can also perform these tasks.
In South Africa similar flights are farmed out by the DoD through an "ostensibly" transparent tender process. This for peacekeeping operations accross Africa which anyway get funded by you "sometimes gullible" Europeans. We have long ago given up tendering to perform such peacekeeping support flights at clearly lower prices than selfcost. Only when we studied the extra "have to ask for to see" fine print did we notice provisions for claiming extra charges afterwards. The same lot seem to be awarded the flights every time at clearly below self cost but then claim their "substantial profits" as aditional expenses afterwards.
This tender process is fundamentaly flawed.
Clearly if there is a propensity by the British MoD to favour the same group of service providers and even reward these dubious air companies, something is seriously wrong not necessary with the organisation, but perhaps rather a clique of persons or perhaps old-boys. It would be unfair to generalise.
For evil to truimph - good men merely have to do nothing. Speak out and protest where you can. Instead of rewarding these people with government contracts they should be banned from EU skies - just like their predecessors (and former companys) were.
One of the mod's recently pointed out that this has been covered in the media before and is a worn topic - clearly it made no impact and not so worn at all as the practise is continuing with impunity and unabated still todayl.
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Goodspark,
Heard he was shopping for finance in the UAE to try upgrade, but then it was for a 767. Dont know when last you saw him but he aint well, dont think there's any colateral left in him for anybody to advance him such funds. Allegedly also owes huge debts in UAE. But he is a resourceful fella. You must also realise (and we all know who we are talking about) that some nefarious types are looking for fronts through which to buy aircraft - its not impossible he's being used for this. Look up some on thread "New cargo outfit starting up out Cyprus to see some more".
Saw there is one of his machines standing in Ndjamena (Chad). Doubt very much if they can fly anymore.
This exactly my argument about these flights "of convenience?" now for MoD. Wonder if anybody has done any homwork to determine real owners and sponsors of the aircraft. I am pretty sure not - and on the other hand bitterly dissapointed.
It shouldnt be left there. I expected more!
Heard he was shopping for finance in the UAE to try upgrade, but then it was for a 767. Dont know when last you saw him but he aint well, dont think there's any colateral left in him for anybody to advance him such funds. Allegedly also owes huge debts in UAE. But he is a resourceful fella. You must also realise (and we all know who we are talking about) that some nefarious types are looking for fronts through which to buy aircraft - its not impossible he's being used for this. Look up some on thread "New cargo outfit starting up out Cyprus to see some more".
Saw there is one of his machines standing in Ndjamena (Chad). Doubt very much if they can fly anymore.
This exactly my argument about these flights "of convenience?" now for MoD. Wonder if anybody has done any homwork to determine real owners and sponsors of the aircraft. I am pretty sure not - and on the other hand bitterly dissapointed.
It shouldnt be left there. I expected more!
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thanks for that, looks like an interesting read, i used to work for him on the 8s like you say a very determined man but i fell out with his son so that was that!
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thanks for that, looks like an interesting read, i used to work for him on the 8s like you say a very determined man but i fell out with his son so that was that!
gs