Cargolux details requested!
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Im afraid nothing is going to happen in the next three month. Expect some news late 2019. The process is going to take a lots of time. Nobody knows what to expect. Since the process is just starting. But we are extremely short of pilots
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Another question.
Did anyone of you had a lot of flying hours more than 5000 , in Airbus FBW, like 320/330 or 340 and changed to Boeing. What hwere the chalanges that you faced?
Operational Philosofy is completly diferent.
I am curious about it .
Did anyone of you had a lot of flying hours more than 5000 , in Airbus FBW, like 320/330 or 340 and changed to Boeing. What hwere the chalanges that you faced?
Operational Philosofy is completly diferent.
I am curious about it .
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Seems there are small improvement for F/O salaries:
Comparing values presented in ROADSHOWS .
In May 1st year 49935 EUR; Cargolux WEBSITE(today Octiber 2018) 51183 EUR;
2nd year 59372 EUR; " " 60856 EUR;
3rd year 62836 EUR; " " 64407 EUR;
4th year 66390 EUR; " " 68050 EUR;
5th year 75927 EUR; " " 77824 EUR;
Comparing values presented in ROADSHOWS .
In May 1st year 49935 EUR; Cargolux WEBSITE(today Octiber 2018) 51183 EUR;
2nd year 59372 EUR; " " 60856 EUR;
3rd year 62836 EUR; " " 64407 EUR;
4th year 66390 EUR; " " 68050 EUR;
5th year 75927 EUR; " " 77824 EUR;
That's not an improvement.
It's just the Index which was 794.54 and was increased to 814.40
On the same site where you got that info from it says:
It's just the Index which was 794.54 and was increased to 814.40
On the same site where you got that info from it says:
As per Luxembourg law, salaries are adjusted in line with the evolution of the cost of living (Indexation): If the consumer price index increases by 2.5 % during the previous semester, salaries are normally adjusted by the same proportion.
Maybe they realise that they are not welcome.
We have enough first officers who can be upgraded.
I do not understand why a company like Cargolux takes DEC's.
As you might understand it pisses off the first officers who are close to their upgrade...
We have enough first officers who can be upgraded.
I do not understand why a company like Cargolux takes DEC's.
As you might understand it pisses off the first officers who are close to their upgrade...
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I applied as DEC for the last 2 years and recently was told they definitely do not employ DEC you have to be FO, be interested to see if anyone knows any DECs that joined the company in last few years?
Besides the usual reason for DECs is that the FOs don't have enough hours for the insurance, it has nothing to do with ability.
Besides the usual reason for DECs is that the FOs don't have enough hours for the insurance, it has nothing to do with ability.
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Seems there are small improvement for F/O salaries:
Comparing values presented in ROADSHOWS .
In May 1st year 49935 EUR; Cargolux WEBSITE(today Octiber 2018) 51183 EUR;
2nd year 59372 EUR; " " 60856 EUR;
3rd year 62836 EUR; " " 64407 EUR;
4th year 66390 EUR; " " 68050 EUR;
5th year 75927 EUR; " " 77824 EUR;
Comparing values presented in ROADSHOWS .
In May 1st year 49935 EUR; Cargolux WEBSITE(today Octiber 2018) 51183 EUR;
2nd year 59372 EUR; " " 60856 EUR;
3rd year 62836 EUR; " " 64407 EUR;
4th year 66390 EUR; " " 68050 EUR;
5th year 75927 EUR; " " 77824 EUR;
Could you or anybody else give a rough idea of the roster a new joiner can expect in terms of sequence of days on / off ? and also....is commuting possible / accepted / tolerated ? Thank you.
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If the 2015 CWA is the problem, are there any updates to the new CWA because as far as I know the actual one is only valid until end of november? How his the recruitment situation? Has CLX enough applications or are they required to increase the conditions (also considering the very successful financial year 2017) maybe by terminating the B-scale?
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nope
If the 2015 CWA is the problem, are there any updates to the new CWA because as far as I know the actual one is only valid until end of november? How his the recruitment situation? Has CLX enough applications or are they required to increase the conditions (also considering the very successful financial year 2017) maybe by terminating the B-scale?
Recruitment is still ongoing. Reducing the requirements to 1500hrs 10tons etc means they are not short of applications.
People want to jump from business jets or turboprops often getting low salaries, Cargolux is a step up and accept the b scale.
Problem is holding on to them, once they have enough hours they will see better conditions elsewhere and jumpship.
Its my understanding that good financial years mean nothing. They would even like to reduce our vacation days, pension, days off, 13th month, profit share etc.
The negotiations are going to be interesting
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From my experience
expect :
- 6 days off a month fixed, another 3 days floating around wherever they see fit.
- you can commute, your responsibility, but always arrive day before, so you need a hotel or crash pad,
- no travel benefits worth mentioning, since you cant access them for 6 months anyway. and they make it difficult to buy anything and forget bringing anyone with you, impossible
- if you ask for back to backs, which means putting both your 6 and 3 days together, so 9 days off, and 19 days away from home.
but you will be fatigued like hell, or stick 3 vacation days next to your days off bringing it to 12 days off 16 days away.
- work on your off days and vacation days because you're in probation and need to make a good impression that you're a team player and company minded. (they play with this probation hanging over your head, say no, work to rule)
- to be bombarded with roster changes,
- to buy an EASA ftl app to crosscheck your duty and rest limitations because you don't know otherwise.
- to have fun flying an iconic machine, into weird and wonderful destinations, with nice genuine crew, see the world, taste drink and see new cultures. just makes all the bull**** easier to swallow.
expect :
- 6 days off a month fixed, another 3 days floating around wherever they see fit.
- you can commute, your responsibility, but always arrive day before, so you need a hotel or crash pad,
- no travel benefits worth mentioning, since you cant access them for 6 months anyway. and they make it difficult to buy anything and forget bringing anyone with you, impossible
- if you ask for back to backs, which means putting both your 6 and 3 days together, so 9 days off, and 19 days away from home.
but you will be fatigued like hell, or stick 3 vacation days next to your days off bringing it to 12 days off 16 days away.
- work on your off days and vacation days because you're in probation and need to make a good impression that you're a team player and company minded. (they play with this probation hanging over your head, say no, work to rule)
- to be bombarded with roster changes,
- to buy an EASA ftl app to crosscheck your duty and rest limitations because you don't know otherwise.
- to have fun flying an iconic machine, into weird and wonderful destinations, with nice genuine crew, see the world, taste drink and see new cultures. just makes all the bull**** easier to swallow.
Last edited by Aeroshizzle; 20th Nov 2018 at 08:24. Reason: see post below
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Are you for real? You can't seriously expect someone to beliebe such a statement, can you?
Do you seriously believe that Cargolux would let go of you because you stick to your signed working contract and Collective Work Agreement??? But if this is what you need to tell yourself to sleep at night......
Do you seriously believe that Cargolux would let go of you because you stick to your signed working contract and Collective Work Agreement??? But if this is what you need to tell yourself to sleep at night......
Did I mention any threat of termination in my previous post? No.
All I said was, its just expected, (only from what i experienced)
Maybe I should edit my previous post to include:
Its your decision in the end, accept or not. But I've been delayed/rescheduled to work on my days off or vacation, without the courtesy of a phone call or email. Its just there. I called, and said no, and the response I received was " oh? you're not willing to work on your off days to help out?" another call "are you still in probation?" How do you think this makes a new joiner feel?
I have refused to fly in all cases, deadhead home. and I'm still here.
Last edited by Aeroshizzle; 20th Nov 2018 at 08:36. Reason: grammar
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I can confirm that during your probation year some crew controllers will put pressure on you accepting the last minute back to back upon arrival in LUX or working on your days off.
Commuting is possible, but not always easy by air travel depending on where you live. I would not recommend it. Everything within driving distance is fine.
Roster during your first 2 years is pretty horrific. Do not believe the roster they show you during the assessment. Expect to be used to whatever is legal, especially during peak season. I highly recommend to divide your leave over the 13 rosters as it makes it more bearable. Expect very little roster stability and MASSIVE delays. You can only plan your block of 6 off days. And during your probation year they might pressure you into working these as well. You can say no! No questions asked. And if you choose the 2 for 1they will probably not call you again. When you get your first RBO it gets a little better.
Just to putt it into something easier to visualize: you will do roughly 2 rosters more productivity on the B-scale compared to the A-scale. 26 RBO’s and some leave days.
I personally would not have joined in hindsight. But that is easy to say. Good things; great network but unfortunately very short layovers usually. Great colleagues and good training. Also the tax and social system is quite good in LUX.
Commuting is possible, but not always easy by air travel depending on where you live. I would not recommend it. Everything within driving distance is fine.
Roster during your first 2 years is pretty horrific. Do not believe the roster they show you during the assessment. Expect to be used to whatever is legal, especially during peak season. I highly recommend to divide your leave over the 13 rosters as it makes it more bearable. Expect very little roster stability and MASSIVE delays. You can only plan your block of 6 off days. And during your probation year they might pressure you into working these as well. You can say no! No questions asked. And if you choose the 2 for 1they will probably not call you again. When you get your first RBO it gets a little better.
Just to putt it into something easier to visualize: you will do roughly 2 rosters more productivity on the B-scale compared to the A-scale. 26 RBO’s and some leave days.
I personally would not have joined in hindsight. But that is easy to say. Good things; great network but unfortunately very short layovers usually. Great colleagues and good training. Also the tax and social system is quite good in LUX.
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Dear both....many thanks for your objective job / roster description.
Really appreciated....Jumping from one horse to the other in the dark is not always the best move with a family on the back and age not exactly on my side.
So thanks again cheers