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- A 737 type rating is by far better than a 747 type rating and slightly worse than an A320 TR. The market is tight and there are plenty of opportunities for 737 jockeys, like Norwegian or Jet2. By your level of experience, I presume that you are young. I don't see a major crisis in the following three years. Thereby, calm down and think about what you really would like to do. Life is a journey and you must make the most of it.
- According to the rumours, six or seven pilots had resigned in less than two weeks. Nonetheless, I receive farewell emails from colleagues on a weekly basis: a worrisome symptom. The working atmosphere is far from being optimal.
- The next CWA could or could not improve the current working conditions. Nonetheless, this company is not going to be what it was ten years ago. Besides, the Chinese are shareholders of Cargolux. The implications of this are unknown to the employees. If I were you, I would better forget about Cargolux China.
-Take your own decisions. Try to contact by Linkedin to a new joiner to get fresh information about how is life under the new scheme. Be aware of the omissions and inconsistencies of public claims and disclosed compensation.
I wish you luck and all the best, Chris
- According to the rumours, six or seven pilots had resigned in less than two weeks. Nonetheless, I receive farewell emails from colleagues on a weekly basis: a worrisome symptom. The working atmosphere is far from being optimal.
- The next CWA could or could not improve the current working conditions. Nonetheless, this company is not going to be what it was ten years ago. Besides, the Chinese are shareholders of Cargolux. The implications of this are unknown to the employees. If I were you, I would better forget about Cargolux China.
-Take your own decisions. Try to contact by Linkedin to a new joiner to get fresh information about how is life under the new scheme. Be aware of the omissions and inconsistencies of public claims and disclosed compensation.
I wish you luck and all the best, Chris
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@final06:
A possible new CWA might be a good point to be considered, you are right. During my research, I only found a statement of the LCGB in the newsletter (01/2016) regarding the changes of the CWA. As far as I can remember there wasn't stated when there will be new CWA negotiations. Do you have any idea when a new CWA (negotiations) will come?
I have read some statements of the LCGB. It seems to me that the CV's management stayed very strong while the union made the compromises (they mentioned a compromise of around 10 million € from their side), especially against new joiners. Furthermore, they said that they finally agreed to the CWA, although they know that there are some important points to be changed and improved. This doesn’t sound like a good union’s work. From this point of view, do you think a new CWA will bring improvements or even more decreasing conditions (and therefore joining as soon as possible would be better, if I finally decide to do so)?
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Did you have look on the CV’s webpage? They publish some of their conditions (Unfortunately, I am not allowed to post web-links. But google for “cargolux working conditions”). I don’t know, but I think, these are based on the actual CWA.
A possible new CWA might be a good point to be considered, you are right. During my research, I only found a statement of the LCGB in the newsletter (01/2016) regarding the changes of the CWA. As far as I can remember there wasn't stated when there will be new CWA negotiations. Do you have any idea when a new CWA (negotiations) will come?
I have read some statements of the LCGB. It seems to me that the CV's management stayed very strong while the union made the compromises (they mentioned a compromise of around 10 million € from their side), especially against new joiners. Furthermore, they said that they finally agreed to the CWA, although they know that there are some important points to be changed and improved. This doesn’t sound like a good union’s work. From this point of view, do you think a new CWA will bring improvements or even more decreasing conditions (and therefore joining as soon as possible would be better, if I finally decide to do so)?
@Aero75
Did you have look on the CV’s webpage? They publish some of their conditions (Unfortunately, I am not allowed to post web-links. But google for “cargolux working conditions”). I don’t know, but I think, these are based on the actual CWA.
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CWA -> 3 years
Short version:
Mistakes have been made, but the other union had the majority in the delegation and was legally able to sign the CWA without our consent.
Negotiations starting soon.
Management has 100+ ideas how to bring our conditions further down.
Our own colleagues betraying us while selling their OFF days left, right and center, also in critical times.
New generation not interested in politics.
Did you notice that our profession is in a downward spiral since many years?
Not only our profession, probably everyones in these times of accelerated capitalism and greedy managers.
Short version:
Mistakes have been made, but the other union had the majority in the delegation and was legally able to sign the CWA without our consent.
Negotiations starting soon.
Management has 100+ ideas how to bring our conditions further down.
Our own colleagues betraying us while selling their OFF days left, right and center, also in critical times.
New generation not interested in politics.
Did you notice that our profession is in a downward spiral since many years?
Not only our profession, probably everyones in these times of accelerated capitalism and greedy managers.
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Final 06,
I had to laugh when I read your last sentences because I totally agree with you. BTW, I think it’s worth to mention that I am not that young anymore (mid 30th), although a started commercial flying a little bit later and therefore lacking a little bit of the “between the lines experience” in this branch. But that’s why I am here and asking questions. The point you raised, that also other branches are going down, can even be extended to the government and all the things that are going wrong in the society at all. But considering the fact nearly every branch in a downward spiral, I think our branch is still on the upper end of the conditions compared to the majority of the other branches. Of course, there are some other jobs and branches, which are better than aviation but if you really want to break the circle at least for yourself, you have to become a “skilled worker” and move to Canada or Australia. And even there, you will have some kind of fight.
If we can change something in our system than only to a very little extent. Therefore, most of us try to make the best out of the situation. That might also explain a little bit why colleagues are selling OFF days. So, where is the difference between the colleagues and the “greedy managers”. And let me honest with you, I did this also two time for longer flight to get the hours, although I am aware about the adverse “political statement”.
If I got it right, the CWA is valid until winter 2018. This matchs may planning to start my application (if I do) during and of this year. Maybe, I will have an idea what coming next with CV.
Another question that is a little bit important for my decision: What is your opinion about an additional job in the office, especially in the safety department? Don’t get me wrong, I don’t want to become a manager. It’s just because I am interested in the topic of safety and want to have a plan B in case of losing my medical or reducing long-haul flying when getting older (something like 50% office and 50% flying).
However, until now thanks again for the honest replies.
I had to laugh when I read your last sentences because I totally agree with you. BTW, I think it’s worth to mention that I am not that young anymore (mid 30th), although a started commercial flying a little bit later and therefore lacking a little bit of the “between the lines experience” in this branch. But that’s why I am here and asking questions. The point you raised, that also other branches are going down, can even be extended to the government and all the things that are going wrong in the society at all. But considering the fact nearly every branch in a downward spiral, I think our branch is still on the upper end of the conditions compared to the majority of the other branches. Of course, there are some other jobs and branches, which are better than aviation but if you really want to break the circle at least for yourself, you have to become a “skilled worker” and move to Canada or Australia. And even there, you will have some kind of fight.
If we can change something in our system than only to a very little extent. Therefore, most of us try to make the best out of the situation. That might also explain a little bit why colleagues are selling OFF days. So, where is the difference between the colleagues and the “greedy managers”. And let me honest with you, I did this also two time for longer flight to get the hours, although I am aware about the adverse “political statement”.
If I got it right, the CWA is valid until winter 2018. This matchs may planning to start my application (if I do) during and of this year. Maybe, I will have an idea what coming next with CV.
Another question that is a little bit important for my decision: What is your opinion about an additional job in the office, especially in the safety department? Don’t get me wrong, I don’t want to become a manager. It’s just because I am interested in the topic of safety and want to have a plan B in case of losing my medical or reducing long-haul flying when getting older (something like 50% office and 50% flying).
However, until now thanks again for the honest replies.
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Indeed, there are ample opportunities to work "in the office".
You would fly (and earn) less but the health effects are very positive.
This is why the training department is quite popular - in some cases regardless of qualification.
Safety department has plenty of staff now but is not impossible to achieve.
Good luck to you with your next career moves!
You would fly (and earn) less but the health effects are very positive.
This is why the training department is quite popular - in some cases regardless of qualification.
Safety department has plenty of staff now but is not impossible to achieve.
Good luck to you with your next career moves!
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All of them are the same.
I know who went to Madrid.
They are adding 3 more 747-400 next year.
First year the salary is low,3900 net +1400 per diems, first year. If you have kids the state sponsors each with 300€ per month. Schools in Luxembourg are free. Every year you have an increment in the salary.
But to rent an apartment 2 rooms is quite expensive, so the option maybe to live in Germany, or Belgium, it is 1/2 of the price.
Fly around the world , be prepared for roster changes, sunddenly a business opportunity can appear. Example you’re in VCP, and your roster is VCP-SCL, you may have to go EZE first to load a new cargo before flying to SCL. Sometimes an ACMI operation, charter flights.
Expect to work with various cultures.
Company is not very flexible to swap rosters between colleges. The company offers good opportunities , for the F/O , to do some ground duties. Flight instruction and support.
Traveling facilities , with Cargolux , Luxair and SN BRUSSELS.
I know who went to Madrid.
They are adding 3 more 747-400 next year.
First year the salary is low,3900 net +1400 per diems, first year. If you have kids the state sponsors each with 300€ per month. Schools in Luxembourg are free. Every year you have an increment in the salary.
But to rent an apartment 2 rooms is quite expensive, so the option maybe to live in Germany, or Belgium, it is 1/2 of the price.
Fly around the world , be prepared for roster changes, sunddenly a business opportunity can appear. Example you’re in VCP, and your roster is VCP-SCL, you may have to go EZE first to load a new cargo before flying to SCL. Sometimes an ACMI operation, charter flights.
Expect to work with various cultures.
Company is not very flexible to swap rosters between colleges. The company offers good opportunities , for the F/O , to do some ground duties. Flight instruction and support.
Traveling facilities , with Cargolux , Luxair and SN BRUSSELS.
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