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Cathay SIM Instructor
Hello.
Anyone with knowledge about this contract willing to share info? Thx |
Originally Posted by VONKLUFFEN
(Post 11921000)
Hello.
Anyone with knowledge about this contract willing to share info? Thx |
CPA training ctr
I’ll answer a question with a question…
why is there such a high turnover of sim instructors? |
Originally Posted by professional expat
(Post 11942383)
Because the simulator training department comprises of an old boy network of institutionalised old men with no idea about modern training in year 2025. Cathay Pacific are trying to move towards evidence based training and seem to be of the delusion that they are on track! The reality is that well over half the training reports for competency grading are left blank because not many people know how to complete them. The National Regulator does not discharge their duties assertively, the training facilities are out dated, there is a distrust of the training department by the pilots, distasteful politics and a toxic working environment. The only reason people stay is the money so you have a group of instructors motivated by cash rather than professionalism and flight safety.
But that was then, I hoped it had changed. obviously not. shame |
20 plus years ago but is the guy who looks like Captain Obvious with a pipe hanging out of his gob in the SIM still there?
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Originally Posted by Koan
(Post 11943168)
20 plus years ago but is the guy who looks like Captain Obvious with a pipe hanging out of his gob in the SIM still there?
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I have seen a video from an instructor attending a standards meeting of the Head of Flying Training handing out beers at 3pm in an official meeting at Cathay City. Various training mangers sat there drinking beer before going back to work in the office. In an airline with recent bad publicity of pilots turning up for work this is a pretty bad example to set. They are trying to instigate Evidence Based Training when half the instructors, mostly entitled institutionalised seniors who have been there for years, have no idea how to do a Competancy Based Assessment. The level of safety and competence for a national airline is appalling, it will not be long before a serious accident happens unfortunately, which is why so many are leaving.
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Originally Posted by professional expat
(Post 12036066)
I have seen a video from an instructor attending a standards meeting of the Head of Flying Training handing out beers at 3pm in an official meeting at Cathay City. Various training mangers sat there drinking beer before going back to work in the office. In an airline with recent bad publicity of pilots turning up for work this is a pretty bad example to set. They are trying to instigate Evidence Based Training when half the instructors, mostly entitled institutionalised seniors who have been there for years, have no idea how to do a Competancy Based Assessment. The level of safety and competence for a national airline is appalling, it will not be long before a serious accident happens unfortunately, which is why so many are leaving.
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He said, ‘Various training mangers sat there drinking beer before going back to work in the office’.
As an aside: ahh, ‘mangers’. A howler I recall from a senior manager’s missive during some unpleasantness a few decades ago :hmm: At least the old Valiant pilot and the extendo-pointer with which he would rap you over the knuckles is long gone :} |
And of course the Screaming Skull. Didn't like the way Asians would stop walking on the moving walkway as soon as they stepped on and thunder up behind to glare down until they moved aside. Very embarrassing for the rest of the crew. I believe he returned as a sim instructor. God help his victims.
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Originally Posted by Captain Dart
(Post 12036502)
He said, ‘Various training mangers sat there drinking beer before going back to work in the office’.
As an aside: ahh, ‘mangers’. A howler I recall from a senior manager’s missive during some unpleasantness a few decades ago :hmm: At least the old Valiant pilot and the extendo-pointer with which he would rap you over the knuckles is long gone :} if you want to join them then go for it; get an office job |
The "Screaming Skull"... Not the easiest person to engage with, but once you knew him you appreciated he had experience, skills and knowledge. In fact, he had a heart and and understanding of the job and what it required . I was once on the receiving end of his rancour...survived! A good man in my mind. Cathay long had a need of his kind....and still does.
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Originally Posted by professional expat
(Post 12036066)
mostly entitled institutionalised seniors who have been there for years, have no idea how to do a Competancy Based Assessment.
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Originally Posted by mngmt mole
(Post 12036973)
The "Screaming Skull"... Not the easiest person to engage with, but once you knew him you appreciated he had experience, skills and knowledge. In fact, he had a heart and and understanding of the job and what it required . I was once on the receiving end of his rancour...survived! A good man in my mind. Cathay long had a need of his kind....and still does.
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SS was certainly part of the "old cx". On that note, does anyone sensibly suggest that the "new" cx is better than the old ? Maybe people like SS understood a thing or two about aviation, and how to keep an airline on the rails. Not certain you could say that about the operation today.
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Originally Posted by Trafalgar
(Post 12037672)
SS was certainly part of the "old cx". On that note, does anyone sensibly suggest that the "new" cx is better than the old ? Maybe people like SS understood a thing or two about aviation, and how to keep an airline on the rails. Not certain you could say that about the operation today.
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SS knew all about "people". He just didn't suffer fools and incompetence. If you couldn't do your job properly, you would be on the wrong end of a career defining event. Every good airline needs people who could cut through the cr*p and protect the airlines operation and reputation. I understand that we have now had a generation of snowflakes who seem to need a bit of hand holding, but ultimately it will be proven that people like Jmack were right in their application of standards and operational excellence.
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on another note...a post I made back in March of 2108...almost 8 years ago:
In case it isn't perfectly clear: make for the lifeboats asap, as this ship has struck the iceberg and will sink. The management are sitting on the deck playing their instruments, but their feet are already getting wet. There is no saving this airline, as the management have no credibility, no honesty, no morality, no competence, no vision. It is dead. If you have any other option, take it while it is still available. Otherwise, you will find yourselves (and your families) in an impossible and horrid situation. Then, you will only have yourselves to blame. Sadly, this has proven to be the case. Does anyone else believe CX will ever again be a "career" airline...? |
Trafalgar I don’t necessarily disagree with the essence of what you are saying. Having also gone through the school of hard knocks and worked for Cathay in the ‘old days’. Including somehow surviving the command course. However I had built up a carapace of (much used word now) resilience having been battered into shape in a prior airline, Britannia Airways. The chief trainer of aforesaid company after a particularly fraught simulator session had assessed me as ‘foxtrotting useless’. Harsh but fair I suppose. In terms of cx and the individual concerned with the amusing sobriquet you are not wrong in that he is highly knowledgeable. My take is that there should be some middle ground. A little courtesy in the professional context is not out of place and I also agree that a few of the newer generation can be a little ahem, over sensitive. Essentially there is no place or should not be for the brutal debrief laced with profanity which has occurred in the past. Probably a good thing.
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I think the S S at one time or another had to apologise to most of the station managers in the Asian network. The impression I got of him was of barely controlled rage. His background suggested a very good pilot ability but he was one of the few ex fighter pilots who seemed to have difficulty in adapting to a team environment.
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