Sisiphos,
Vendetta comes to this forum with facts that outline a despicable history of employee abuse that he, like so many others, experienced working for Cathay Pacific. His posts are intelligently presented without the adolescent snarking you bring to the discussion.

Two things are obvious: Firstly, that you are unable to market your skills outside Cathay. Secondly, the entire aviation industry has become acutely aware of just how much Cathay has fallen. So much so that only those pilots in the industry that are desperate, or deemed unhirable anywhere else, need apply. All the former Cathay pilots with personal integrity and marketable skills, have resigned or retired.

In Vendtta’s case, the fact he is earning significantly more than what the top line captain earns today at Cathay speaks for itself.

It’s you who has clearly lost this game.

Missed the boat as well, Raven? ;-))

Which boat is that, Sisiphos? The Titanic … ?

just try and find a cathay captain who made 4m last year. very funny.

please see my earlier chart, there were 105 Cathay captains that earned over 4m last year.
So as you are earning 3 times as much as them, please tell us where you are working - if this is a pilot job I’d like to apply!

Ah, slowly it dawns on you and the other haters and doomsayers.. It's really fascinating, I almost can hear your brains moaning in agony, slowly understanding they have to go into reverse.

Sorry, but I waited years for this 😂

My only remaining wish now is for cxorcist and Piet Lood to be with us as well ❤️

SOPS; Run outa chocopos, Can I have some of yours. Now this is what Fragrant Harbour is all about. Gees I have missed the fun in the morning lurkabout.

Sis; gotta congratulate on your flow and articulation. I would have fallen for the goading much earlier and would need restraining as I resort to fistacuffs in time honoured manner.

Your control- admirable.

Your chart doesn't mean anything. Even if its not outright rubbish, it doesn't say what those earnings were from. All manner of shenanigans are practised at cathay regarding paying different people different things under different categories. You won't make 4m/yr on the payscale at cathay. Remember earnings can only be counted on based on minimum guarantee. Cathay minimum guarantee is way lower than the 80~ average out there. Today it's 50. When i dumped cathay it was 35. Thats all. We were all paid 35 hours per month for a couple of years. Today, average captain on 747 fleet flies 50~.This minimum gairantee (called base salary at cathay) number "can be adjusted from time to time, at company's sole discretion." Somepne can be helpful and post a screenshot of this week's payscale and the minimum guarantee amount and we can do the maths to see if it will add up to 4 million HKD/YR.

Or do you seriously suggest one should use a very indirect way via a financial filing document instead of the actual document (this week's version anyway) which will be followed to calculate one's pay? And as we all know, the direct document one's pay is calculated upon, is subject to whatever changes whenever the company wishes.

One would have to be a special kind of delusional to believe cathay won't adjust the min guarantee used to calculate base salary as far down as they want, when they can. How many years will you have wasted having lost the chance and the seniority you could have had at a stable contract job instead of then having to start at the bottom somewhere else after 5, 10, 15 etc years at cathay.

No Cathay line CN is consistently earning ~ HKD 333k/mth, every month, year on year. Even as a B-Scale SCN I never came close. What a load of delusional crap.

These are the figures I’ve come up with, happy to be corrected, as I left Cathay nearly 4 years ago.

The absolute max a Captain 4 on the Airbus can make is around HKD 3.0M gross / HKD 2.5M net per year. That includes flying 900 hours, 6 weeks profit share, 13th month, housing, and schooling. Very few hit this.

After paying for your own housing and schooling, net drops to about HKD 1.9M/year or HKD 158K/month. Most won’t reach this scale anyway.

A lower captain scale brings in about HKD 1.9M gross / 1.6M net, or HKD 133K/month. Deduct housing and school, and you're down to HKD 92K/month.

Now, if you go off guaranteed base pay only, no profit share, it’s a very different picture:

• Captain Year 4: HKD 2.1M gross / 1.76M net → HKD 146K/month
  After housing/school: ~HKD 101K/month
  
• Lower scale Captain: HKD 1.72M gross / 1.45M net → HKD 121K/month
  After housing/school: ~HKD 79K/month
  

People will say “nobody makes just base pay”, maybe not, but that’s the only part Cathay guarantees. Banking on more is risky if you're planning a move to HK as the goal posts constantly move over there.

So tell us about your 'Great Leap Forward' that over 50% of your former colleagues are missing because they 'have to go into reverse':

SCN2 to CN1. Same base pay I received 10 years earlier as an FO
Up to 115K Housing Allowance to 36K HKPA
15.5% DC PFund to 5% Match on mandatory 5% co-contribution
(Mostly) free healthcare > 30k + annual premium
Education Allowance ....

Some screwy logic you have there Boi! Do you also mistake the TOGA switches for reverse?

And yeah, not sure where V for V works (possibly same place as me), but my base pay is 3 x times the amount I stood to get on POS18. Really missing CX, ay! Even the former Airbus DCP is here.

Sure, if you had a job offer at United you would be nuts to take CX especially those who joined in 2022 and ended up getting historically quick commands. But clearly that's not the choice the people applying today are deciding between. So telling a poster from NZ (or applicants from SA, Malaysia, etc) how much better you're getting paid than them is useless and obnoxious.

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The part where he refuses to accept a factual financial document that is publicly available audited and shows over 100 pilots earning over 4m last year.

OP didn’t ask what part of the pay at CX is guaranteed. He said he’s seen the payscales for Captain 4 and asked “Is there a path at Cathay where pilots can earn 3 million HKD annually and if so how long could it take ?” and here is proof that they can, and many hundreds do..

Obnoxious maybe, but asinine comments like "slowly understanding they have to go into reverse" or "missed the boat" might attract a strong rebuttal from the guys who left and are thriving.

To the OP, a select few Captains may well earn 3M HKD/year (Management, C&T), but it's not consistently achievable by the average line guy and would take years of service to achieve. By which point, the handbook (not a contract) would have been revised downwards many times, as it has been already. You have zero control over future earnings at CX.

I too could produce ALPA data on the $1M (USD) club at the US majors, but I'd never hold it up as realistic earnings during normal times.

It hurts, Veruka. I understand. Be strong!!
😂😂😂

I don’t need to be strong Sisiphos as I’m not the one stuck at CX! Good luck to you 👍🏻

[QUOTE: To the OP, a select few Captains may well earn 3M HKD/year (Management, C&T), but it's not consistently achievable by the average line guy and would take years of service to achieve.’’


There were 402 pilots earning over 3m last year according to the 2024 annual report - there were maybe 230-270 trainers and management (?), so at least 100 line pilots taking over the magic 3m mark among that ‘select few’.

So the answer to OPs question is yes, but I agree it would take years as Commands will slow and it’s slow to get up the pay scales. And VforV will still be on here telling us he earns 3 times more than any CX pilot

My (everybody) package was reduced by 50% so what the hell are some people here talking about ?
Not easy to leave for all of us, nothing to do with moral integrity like someone says or Stockholm syndrome just personal circumstances and choices.
Definitely everybody had a good look around.

Also, total remuneration and earnings mean different things to different people. From CX POV, that is what it is costing them - so will include provident fund payments, housing and education reimbursements or allowance, the kitchen sink

Most people don’t this as ‘earnings’ which they tend to see as ‘pay’ So it can both be right that it costs CX >3m to employ 400 crew, but those crew don’t see themselves as being paid 3m.

thanks for all information guys !

When I look at the images with pay for 2019 and 2024 overall isn’t it still quite similar overall ?