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AQIS Boigu 4th October 2023 22:20


Originally Posted by Pickuptruck (Post 11514392)
Jesus, ok so over 400 CN left and around 30 have come back. And that sounds like plenty returning???????


Correct - yet to see a captain with a couple kids in high school returning to HKG

The only ones who are coming back are “empty nesters” happy to live in a shoebox reminiscing about the great expat life of HKG

Some even went back to the place they lived at as Second Officers - what does that tell you?!

Dragon Pacific 5th October 2023 04:40


Originally Posted by AQIS Boigu (Post 11514496)
Correct - yet to see a captain with a couple kids in high school returning to HKG

The only ones who are coming back are “empty nesters” happy to live in a shoebox reminiscing about the great expat life of HKG

Some even went back to the place they lived at as Second Officers - what does that tell you?!

You're exactly right with that one AQIS.

Good Business Sense 5th October 2023 15:54


Originally Posted by Oasis (Post 11409821)
"how to pass your Cathay Interview by captain X,Y and Z" had that answer about the EPR. Can't remember now haha

with VMCG limiting then reducing EPR/power increases the VMCG and therefore increases MTOW available for takeoff


main_dog 6th October 2023 00:49

(Shouldn’t that be reducing take-off thrust rating reduces VMCG?)

maplestory 6th October 2023 05:12

I heard that Direct entry f.o needs to work for few year as second officer, is it true?

Zi Peng 6th October 2023 06:19


Originally Posted by maplestory (Post 11515244)
I heard that Direct entry f.o needs to work for few year as second officer, is it true?

I think they are called deFO for a reason.

The overtime in certain fleets is just temporary, that is exactly what the company doesn’t want.
When they will get the numbers back to normal it will flatten out.

BalloonBuster 6th October 2023 13:16


Originally Posted by Krone (Post 11514365)
I hear the current cx overtime can push up the monthly salary of senior captains to over $250hk per month? Ok , you work for it , just saying it’s achievable.

My basic salary plus housing alliwance was more than that just before i left.
And that was as a relatively junior Captain…..

Ash Ketchum 6th October 2023 13:22


Originally Posted by DDDOF (Post 11511493)
The biggest thing with CX is the "IF's" you might be able to make it work IF the flying increases as they try to get the flying schedule back to 2019 levels IF they don't change the min hours which determines how much $$$ you make IF they don't decide to change anything else which is ALL at their discretion as its policy not a CBA.
You are obviously an FO at with WS or AC, there have been lots of Canadian pilots at CX going in the exact opposite direction to what you are looking at, Captain and FO's (myself included). However apply go have a look at HK and make your own mind up, just remember at WS or AC you have a Union with a CBA written in stone that if gets messed with you file a grievance with an arbitrator in HK you have none of that its all at the company's whim, so what you sign up for you may lose a month later.
And if you think Canada is expensive go have a walk around a HK grocery store and look for the stuff your kids eat.
Good luck to you.

Thank you for the advice, yes I'm currently an FO at AC. From the sounds of it, probably best to stick it out in Canada unless my EB-2 NIW application gets approved and I can head to the US.

Babyjet_dododo 6th October 2023 13:43


Originally Posted by BalloonBuster (Post 11515563)
My basic salary plus housing alliwance was more than that just before i left.
And that was as a relatively junior Captain…..

To earn that much, you have to be an STC working about 60 flying hours per month with at least 10 sims or a CN1 captain running about 90 hours per month.

SOPS 6th October 2023 14:38


Originally Posted by Krone (Post 11514365)
There are plenty of returning captains to cx who previously left for whatever reason .
What’s their motivation if its so bad, and the salary is so poor?

I hear the current cx overtime can push up the monthly salary of senior captains to over $250hk per month? Ok , you work for it , just saying it’s achievable.

Don't just base your life on the basic salary. Its a package, and overtime forms a large part (sometimes. !)

Im sure if you fly 200 hours a month you can make a fortune. What was once the Gold Standard of Airline jobs…no, I’m wrong, the Supet Super Gold Standard of Airline jobs is now just a low paying mess.

CxDude 6th October 2023 23:11


Originally Posted by BalloonBuster (Post 11515563)
My basic salary plus housing alliwance was more than that just before i left.
And that was as a relatively junior Captain…..

Basic salary as a relatively junior captain was 130k on the old COS. Housing was anywhere from 45-100k depending on fixed/variable or mortgage/rental. So it's disingenuous to say you made more than 250k

TheEdge 17th October 2023 10:18


Originally Posted by bananarepublic (Post 11489256)
Interview is very straight forward. No tricks.

Simulator is where they get you. Only about 20% pass rate currently. They really focus on manual flying the 777 no matter what rating you have.

Medical is tougher than the standard government requirements. Anything that comes up they will ask you for reports or refer you to a specialist.

Manual flying the 777 even if no previous experience on Boeing ???

main_dog 17th October 2023 13:36


Originally Posted by CxDude (Post 11515827)
Basic salary as a relatively junior captain was 130k on the old COS. Housing was anywhere from 45-100k depending on fixed/variable or mortgage/rental. So it's disingenuous to say you made more than 250k


Yeah… nah, not really. A middle-seniority CN was on 150K, plus 15% Provident Fund, plus rental ceiling over 100k, not to mention way better schooling. Insurance was better as well, and included family. Definitely overall package was well over 250K.

bm330 17th October 2023 17:38


Originally Posted by TheEdge (Post 11522541)
Manual flying the 777 even if no previous experience on Boeing ???

In the past, it was the 747. Full on steam driven - round gauges, speed bugs, tuned radios, manual trim. The 777 in comparison flies itself.

Klimax 17th October 2023 18:32


Originally Posted by TheEdge (Post 11522541)
Manual flying the 777 even if no previous experience on Boeing ???

how unfair is that. expect to be able to manipulate the controls of an actually rather simple heavy jet! No magenta line? Sooo unreasonable!

Flyingtaxidriver 17th October 2023 18:37

With these comments I can’t understand why they are so short of pilots 🤷🏻‍♂️

Zi Peng 18th October 2023 03:02


Originally Posted by Flyingtaxidriver (Post 11522864)
With these comments I can’t understand why they are so short of pilots 🤷🏻‍♂️

With certain comments and questions I now understand why the pass rate is low !
What would you expect to be assessed on ?


CxDude 18th October 2023 14:35


Originally Posted by main_dog (Post 11522718)
Yeah… nah, not really. A middle-seniority CN was on 150K, plus 15% Provident Fund, plus rental ceiling over 100k, not to mention way better schooling. Insurance was better as well, and included family. Definitely overall package was well over 250K.

My reply was to someone saying they made more than 250k on just basic salary and housing as a junior captain. I wasn't denying that senior captains or total compensation wasn't higher; however that wasn't the discussion.

Bokpiel 19th October 2023 00:45


Originally Posted by maplestory (Post 11489383)
20% seems really tough lol

It’s not tough. The applicants they are attracting are just useless. If you can’t pass the interview and sim then you must really be crap.

Bokpiel 19th October 2023 00:51


Originally Posted by main_dog (Post 11522718)
Yeah… nah, not really. A middle-seniority CN was on 150K, plus 15% Provident Fund, plus rental ceiling over 100k, not to mention way better schooling. Insurance was better as well, and included family. Definitely overall package was well over 250K.

Nobody was talking about the overall package. BB said ONLY his basic plus housing was more than 250k as a junior captain, which is obviously a lie.


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