The Truth
 

Gentlemen. CX is currently trying to force through a 'negotiation', that they anticipate will lock in further reductions to the employment package that they have with their aircrew. Don't fall for their pathetic, worn and manipulative stories. Have a read of the following article, and ask yourself if you think it likely that CX won't be suffering from the same problem very soon. That is why they are desperate to get concessions now: because quite soon they will be begging for pilots. Reject any concessionary contract. Don't be fearful of their threats. We have the upper hand and their days of compromising our careers are coming to an end.

The U.S. has a staggering pilot shortage - Jul. 27, 2017

You dreamin' ...
This airline and its management will never give in to its Pilots. They have made an offer, we rejected it, that's it. We ain't getting anything more anytime soon, as we have been told by RH.
They would rather shrink CX or even let it go under and expand KA and air HK to make their point.
When in their 70+ year history has CX management negotiated with its pilots and offered more as a result of an offer being rejected?? I know what you're thinking, wheels are falling off, pilots are leaving, they're under pressure, etc... Bull!!!!, they are laughing at us and our stupidity. To support this claim, nobody is leaving, the wheels aren't falling off, the aircraft are crewed, thousands are lining up at the door to join, loads are pretty good, cargo is doing well, there is no need to improve anything as far as pilots go. Yield and fuel hedge will pass, profits are coming, but not for us.
Enjoy your contract compliance to infinity and consider yourself lucky if you don't lose your housing soon! Enjoy 👍

Ah you were doing so well until you got too loose with your lose.

Mistake noted and subsequently corrected. Thanks for pointing it out.

Fahck me, where do I sign up?

https://youtu.be/OmhGrJJjI7E

Mgmt mole. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing expecting a different result. There was only only time in the last 20 years when we signed deals and got some gains. Not stunning deals but acceptable. Do you know when that was and why we got these deals?

Amazing how as we approach September, all the scaredy cats coming out of the trash bins.

Do you guys need a reminder on how the company, only last year, capitulated to the FAU after a threat of a strike. No they didn't shrink the airline to prove a point. They didn't let ego get in the way of reality. They simply met the FAU's demands. Grow some balls FFS.

Getting serious, 18000 retirements, US mainlines next 3yrs ATW 032417

United States E-3 visa Alternative for bushwingers.

September keeps being mentioned as a possible end to AARAPA ..... this is nonsense. Regardless of what repercussions this may have, read the agreement. Section 7 makes it VERY clear that whether the end of the agreement period is up or not, there must be 3 months notice before the agreement is no longer upheld. AARAPA remains in force until the end of October even if they give us notice this afternoon!

Joining the (any) military necessitates exceeding a minimum standard. Progressing in the military (and not being chopped) requires continual improvement as you are continuously subjected to hard-nosed supervision. It is a meritocracy - something that the civilian world does not recognise. The achievement of a licence is the pinnacle of the civilian career. The majority of you would not have made it through the door.

In the civilian world, a licence is a licence to learn, where it really starts.
I assume you must be military, you should really have a better understanding of those you fly with.

To Catpac; grow a pair, mate.

The Top Gun super elite you speak of still fail commands here like the rest of the great unwashed.

No, just a top gun super elite who is totally fed up with you lot of whiners! And as a wind up, it seems to have hit the spot

Hi Curtain Rod,

Thanks for your questions, but I am a little confused? You say the wheels have fallen off already, people are leaving, and they're under pressure. Sorry but I think you are wrong. You help prove my point, you say that we are growing at the same time. Exactly! Which one is it, the wheels have fallen off and they're under pressure, or are we growing? You tell me...

If the management were so concerned about us as a union, CC and TB, they could have and would have fixed that many moons ago with a stroke of a pen in a matter of a few hours. But they haven't done that, because they don't need to. Remember, you mentioned we are still growing, and we have even saved them millions of dollars by not accepting the offer 12 months ago. High fives everywhere on the 9th floor.

You seem adamant we have them by the balls. They're under pressure, people are leaving and the wheels have fallen off. They'll be forced to give us an improved offer to entice us out of CC and TB. To top it off, huge pilot shortage coming up in the USA, that alone would be a major concern for Swire management.

Management on the other hand keep telling us we need to cut costs and increase productivity.

One contradicts the other? Who is right? Let's see it, let's see RH's bluff...😎

Please tell me your not talking about that Wannabe that has been front and centre on the CX IntraCx desktop this last week or so. That management elf can't even handle the go-cart he's "attempting" to drive not to mention his current position "or" the one he's now drooling about !! Maybe one day if he gets the position he aspires to (yes the one he had his choppers fixed for + a huge new wardrobe) he just might come out and actually say/do something... It's been many many years.:sad:

That said, don't hold your breath...

It's interesting reading your posts rubbishing each other's opinions grammar and spelling.. why don't you unite for a change? Show the company a solid front with a common aim? Give the young troops a break and stop bitching !! You're achieving nothing except giving the reading public a very clear view of how selfish and narrow minded Pilots can be.

Unite ???
 

BlunderBus... How very opinionated of YOU.. If you think back to more or less every fu***** message on this board since day one it's entirely evident we are all on the same page with a unified message and a "common aim"
That being:

Can we please please get some Good Fu***** Management

It's been 23 years of assholes and Financial blunders where "WE" pay the price.

Spot-on-the-money Flex.

Spot on Curtain Rod. It's a money go-round that we mustn't buy a ticket to ride on. However, I fear that we will because the weaker amongst us will fear the "consequences" if we don't. The old "big bad bogey man under the bed will get us" routine.

If they really want to save money, open the bases. But it seems they want us to pay for bases as well. If anyone fears the "consequences" they only need to remind themselves of that fact.

At a time when the Company is making the first Cathay pilot redundant, it is surely time for all the Unions to put on their big boy pants and tell the bogey man to Foxtrot Oscar and open the bases. We don't need to be paying HPE consultants and Forensics Accountants to figure this out.... we know how the money goround works as we have "experienced" the ride before.

They will never take the pilot group seriously until you show some solidarity.

Would you be frightened of a few letters and employees working exactly how both parties agreed?

Start picketing!! If your army won't march they certainly won't fight.